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Okay, I'll admit that this is beyond me, but what happens next? Whatever happened to balancing the budget (of which both parties have failed to do)? How is this monstrosity of added debt going to play out if we still have an America come 2024? Raising taxes of course isn't even feasible, but it will happen nonetheless.
 
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https://www.crfb.org/blogs/whats-inflation-reduction-act

Inflation Reduction Act Summary​

PolicyCost (-)/Savings (2022-2031)
Energy and Climate-$386 billion
Clean Electricity Tax Credits-$161 billion
Air Pollution, Hazardous Materials, Transportation and Infrastructure-$40 billion
Individual Clean Energy Incentives-$37 billion
Clean Manufacturing Tax Credits-$37 billion
Clean Fuel and Vehicle Tax Credits-$36 billion
Conservation, Rural Development, Forestry-$35 billion
Building Efficiency, Electrification, Transmission, Industrial, DOE Grants and Loans-$27 billion
Other Energy and Climate Spending-$14 billion
Health Care-$98 billion
Extension of Expanded ACA Subsidies (three years)-$64 billion
Part D Re-Design, LIS Subsidies, Vaccine Coverage-$34 billion
Total, Spending and Tax Breaks-$485 billion
Health Savings$322 billion
Repeal Trump-Era Drug Rebate Rule$122 billion
Drug Price Inflation Cap$101 billion
Negotiation of Certain Drug Prices$99 billion
Revenue$468 billion
15 Percent Corporate Minimum Tax$313 billion
IRS Tax Enforcement Funding*$124 billion
Closure of Carried Interest Loophole$13 billion
Methane Fee, Superfund Fee, Other Revenue$18 billion
Total, Savings and Revenue$790 billion
Net Deficit Reduction$305 billion
 
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https://www.crfb.org/blogs/whats-inflation-reduction-act

Inflation Reduction Act Summary​

PolicyCost (-)/Savings (2022-2031)
Energy and Climate-$386 billion
Clean Electricity Tax Credits-$161 billion
Air Pollution, Hazardous Materials, Transportation and Infrastructure-$40 billion
Individual Clean Energy Incentives-$37 billion
Clean Manufacturing Tax Credits-$37 billion
Clean Fuel and Vehicle Tax Credits-$36 billion
Conservation, Rural Development, Forestry-$35 billion
Building Efficiency, Electrification, Transmission, Industrial, DOE Grants and Loans-$27 billion
Other Energy and Climate Spending-$14 billion
Health Care-$98 billion
Extension of Expanded ACA Subsidies (three years)-$64 billion
Part D Re-Design, LIS Subsidies, Vaccine Coverage-$34 billion
Total, Spending and Tax Breaks-$485 billion
Health Savings$322 billion
Repeal Trump-Era Drug Rebate Rule$122 billion
Drug Price Inflation Cap$101 billion
Negotiation of Certain Drug Prices$99 billion
Revenue$468 billion
15 Percent Corporate Minimum Tax$313 billion
IRS Tax Enforcement Funding*$124 billion
Closure of Carried Interest Loophole$13 billion
Methane Fee, Superfund Fee, Other Revenue$18 billion
Total, Savings and Revenue$790 billion
Net Deficit Reduction$305 billion
And you approve of this mess?
 
Do I approve of drug negotiation, capping insulin prices, minimum tax levels for billion dollar companies, funding the IRS, funding climate change measures and healthcare?

Yes
 
Do I approve of drug negotiation, capping insulin prices, minimum tax levels for billion dollar companies, funding the IRS, funding climate change measures and healthcare?

Yes
I am a type 2 diabetic. I can assure you there are much better ways to "cap insulin prices." All these talking points are nothing but government control of us, and that's not what we are about. Of course, you'll agree to it all because you are either a Socialist or a Communist. Which are you so I can get it straight? Either one is just the same, but you might prefer being called a Socialist or a Communist.
 
Destroy the economy, pass bills to address the economy, load those bills with pork and kickbacks for themselves and their buddies like the Chinese.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
 
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I am a type 2 diabetic. I can assure you there are much better ways to "cap insulin prices."

Don't "assure" us...Spill the beans

And then you can tell us why republicans haven't done what you think is a better idea.

Or why republicans haven't done anything at all
 
That's just it Gay-RayGraves......NONE of this will ever happen. It's all smoke-&-mirrors. This is how authoritarian government operates.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/4-ke...on-act-will-kick-in-right-away-182211474.html
Inflation Reduction Act: 4 ways it will kick in right away
Ben Werschkul·Washington Correspondent
Tue, August 16, 2022 at 2:22 PM·6 min read

Tax credits for energy related home improvements

Asked this weekend on CNN what Americans should expect to feel right away, Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm pointed first to tax credits around energy and Americans' homes.

“Immediately, people will be able to lower the fuel costs in their home,” she said.

She pointed to a new 30% tax credit for installing energy-efficient windows, heat pumps, or newer models of appliances. A second tax credit encourages people to install solar panels on their roofs.

“There are some things that take effect into the future — some that take effect right now,” Granholm acknowledged. But, she added, “A lot of the energy provisions and the energy-efficiency provisions are applicable right now.”


The bill will include $14,000 rebates consumers can use when buying heat pumps or other energy-efficient home appliances. The new appliances would also help families then save on energy bills.

The White House says the 30% tax credit to install solar panels on roofs will make the pricy undergoing more affordable and help save Americans $9,000 on energy bills over the life of the system.

Overall, climate efforts form the centerpiece of the bill — and the Earth won't feel many of those benefits for some years. Still, the combination of provisions in the IRA could reduce greenhouse gas emissions by about 1 gigaton in 2030. That's “10 times more climate impact than any other single piece of legislation ever enacted,” the White House said.


Expanded EV tax credits

Another climate aspect of the IRA are expanded tax credits for electric vehicles. The credits are worth up to $7,500 for new electric vehicles and $4,000 for used electric vehicles that will be available immediately.

“If you install an electric vehicle charging station in your home, you can also get a tax credit,” Granholm says. The change is expected to be good news for many EV makers, but details of the immediate rule changes could lead to some turbulence for EV buyers.

While in some ways the IRA expands the availability of the tax credit, it also has some strict requirements including a mandate that battery components come from the U.S. That has led some in the industry to worry that many vehicles that currently get the credit will now be left out.

Health care changes

Some health care provisions of the bill will also go into effect soon

For Medicare Part D beneficiaries, the bill will limit insulin payments to $35 a month starting in 2023. It will then cap all out-of-pocket drug costs to about $4,000 annually in 2024 and lower that cap further to $2,000 in 2025.

It will directly benefit about 1.4 million beneficiaries each year, according to the White House.

Biden called out these provisions recently as “just one specific example” of the bill's quick impact.

The IRA also averts a major change that would have come had no action been taken. The 2010 Affordable Care Act had included provisions to help certain Americans with a subsidy for their health insurance costs that were scheduled to end this fall. Now they'll be extended for three years at a cost of about $64 billion.

"There's 13 million Americans who, starting this fall, will benefit from lower health care premiums as a result of this bill," Deese added on Tuesday. "Insurers will be sending out out letters in October of this year and because of this legislation people will see lower premiums in those letters."

Still, a major provision allowing Medicare to negotiate for prescription drug prices won’t happen until 2026.

Oil drilling provisions

Finally, changes to oil drilling regulations backed by traditional energy producers will also go into effect right away — though Biden and his aides might not tout these energy-friendly provisions to their Democratic base. These provisions may spur greater oil production, open new areas to drilling, and incentivize “carbon capture” technology.

For his part, Goldwein noted these changes as the one area that may impact inflation in calendar year 2022.

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), a key moderate vote who helped craft the deal, repeatedly touted the energy provisions as fast-acting during a round of television appearances at the end of July.

“We have accelerated permitting, which is what they want, and we have increased production of energy, which is what they want,” Manchin said on CNN, speaking of Republicans, who opposed the bill en masse.
 
Okay, I'll admit that this is beyond me, but what happens next? Whatever happened to balancing the budget (of which both parties have failed to do)? How is this monstrosity of added debt going to play out if we still have an America come 2024? Raising taxes of course isn't even feasible, but it will happen nonetheless.
TRUMP happened.
 
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I am a type 2 diabetic. I can assure you there are much better ways to "cap insulin prices." All these talking points are nothing but government control of us, and that's not what we are about. Of course, you'll agree to it all because you are either a Socialist or a Communist. Which are you so I can get it straight? Either one is just the same, but you might prefer being called a Socialist or a Communist.
Capping drug prices leads to rationing, as you point out.

This bill is designed to do a few things, none of them are good:
1) Reduce the profitability of prescription drugs to the point of rationing in certain instances. Same strategy of Obamacare and private insurance. If we can't get prescription drugs from big pharm where do we turn?
2) Execute several Green New Deal initiatives through stimulus...more Solyndra deals coming. Basically pork.
3) Grow gov't - IRS agents, etc. The only thing dems know how to do is spend (print) money and grow the size, power and influence of the federal gov't.

We'll see an uptick in economic metrics, stock market will bounce back a little, then inflation will kick in. Inflation is good for the largest debtholder because it reduces the value of their debt.
 
Socialist or a Communist? Which do you prefer to be labeled as?
i prefer to not have the government shut the country down over a cold, i prefer the government not issue trillions in free money, i prefer loans not be given to later be forgiven. i prefer to not run a 7 trillion dollar deficit. i prefer a strong dollar, i prefer money that has value, not negative interest rates. shall i go on? i despise identity politics.....
 
Capping drug prices leads to rationing, as you point out.

This bill is designed to do a few things, none of them are good:
1) Reduce the profitability of prescription drugs to the point of rationing in certain instances. Same strategy of Obamacare and private insurance. If we can't get prescription drugs from big pharm where do we turn?
Mama Government will save us!

The sheep never learn...
 
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Destroy the economy, pass bills to address the economy, load those bills with pork and kickbacks for themselves and their buddies like the Chinese.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
This bill is comprised of TWO things. 1. The green new deal. 2. Bailouts for POORLY ran lib states, in forms of money that they all can get kick backs from. The end
 
i prefer to not have the government shut the country down over a cold, i prefer the government not issue trillions in free money, i prefer loans not be given to later be forgiven. i prefer to not run a 7 trillion dollar deficit. i prefer a strong dollar, i prefer money that has value, not negative interest rates. shall i go on? i despise identity politics.....
Yet with this post you try to identify with us free enterprise/capitalist patriots who are truly American. You want to do the right thing, but you go about it the wrong way.
 
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I am a type 2 diabetic. I can assure you there are much better ways to "cap insulin prices." All these talking points are nothing but government control of us, and that's not what we are about. Of course, you'll agree to it all because you are either a Socialist or a Communist. Which are you so I can get it straight? Either one is just the same, but you might prefer being called a Socialist or a Communist.
You're probably on a government health care plan. LOL.
 
Yet with this post you try to identify with us free enterprise/capitalist patriots who are truly American. You want to do the right thing, but you go about it the wrong way.
There's no such thing as a free enterprise/capitalist patriot that supports Trump and his tariffs, shut downs, budget deficits, give aways, etc.
 
Bailouts for POORLY ran lib states, in forms of money that they all can get kick backs from. The end

Seems to work for republicans...DeSantis in particular

https://www.vox.com/2021/3/15/22331722/american-rescue-plan-salazar-wicker
Republicans shamelessly take credit for Covid relief they voted against
And it’s not going over well.

https://theamericanonews.com/floric...-funds-come-from-bidens-american-rescue-plan/
DeSantis Doles Out Millions, But Fails to Say Funds Come From Biden’s American Rescue Plan

https://fortune.com/2022/07/22/desa...on-checks-florida-biden-american-rescue-plan/
Ron DeSantis is convinced Biden’s stimulus caused inflation. His solution: Use Biden’s stimulus to send inflation relief checks to Floridians
BYCHRISTINE MUI
July 22, 2022 at 2:38 PM EDT
 
There's no such thing as a free enterprise/capitalist patriot that supports Trump and his tariffs, shut downs, budget deficits, give aways, etc.
Why don't you ask everyone on these message boards and see if they don't fit the bill that I just mentioned? Being a true Patriotic American entails the exact thing I posted. And Yes, Trump stands for and has implemented these beneficial measures. But as always......you live in the Multiverse Of Madness....located in Mommy's basement😂😂😂😂
 
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Why don't you ask everyone on these message boards and see if they don't fit the bill that I just mentioned? Being a true Patriotic American entails the exact thing I posted. And Yes, Trump stands for and has implemented these beneficial measures. But as always......you live in the Multiverse Of Madness....located in Mommy's basement😂😂😂😂
Hahahaha.

Instead of addressing Trumps anti free market measures, you respond with childish insults. Typical of a low information Trump supporter.
 
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Hahahaha.

Instead of addressing Trumps anti free market measures, you respond with childish insults. Typical of a low information Trump supporter.
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Hahahaha.

Instead of addressing Trumps anti free market measures, you respond with childish insults. Typical of a low information Trump supporter.
You call tax cuts, tariffs via the USMCA that bring jobs and goods back to the USA, energy independence, record-low unemployment and inflation "anti-free market"..........you obviously live in the Multiverse of Madness i.e. Mommy's Basement. Two degrees from UF?? You sure it wasn't a diploma mill, right??🤣🤣🤣
 
You call tax cuts

Think that's inlfation fighting?

tariffs via the USMCA that bring jobs and goods back to the USA

Tariffs have brought back jobs?

energy independence,

Obama achieved energy independence before trump

record-low unemployment

What? trump has the worst record of employment since the Great Depression

And Biden's unemployment number lower than trump's...so how is his the record?

and inflation "anti-free market".

I don't even know that numbskull Stephen is even referring to here 🤣
 
You call tax cuts, tariffs via the USMCA that bring jobs and goods back to the USA, energy independence, record-low unemployment and inflation "anti-free market"..........you obviously live in the Multiverse of Madness i.e. Mommy's Basement. Two degrees from UF?? You sure it wasn't a diploma mill, right??🤣🤣🤣
If not for hypocrisy and disinformation, BScuck wouldn't exist. Mommy's basement's walls are closing in. 😂
 
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You’re a big guv lib. Does your dumb ass know why a politician would want negative rates and a weak dollar?? Of course you don’t..

And you're using the Washington Post aka the WhAckPo to prove your senseless point?? Free market and capitalism creates a STRONG dollar! That's why the US dollar has been the premier world currency for decades now! You must have dropped out of high school in the 10th grade or something! Such an ass😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
 
If not for hypocrisy and disinformation, BScuck wouldn't exist. Mommy's basement's walls are closing in. 😂
Actually, his favorite interracial MILF is closing down her site because of COVID. That's why he'll be around more often.
 
Focus on the last line... 🤣


https://www.crfb.org/blogs/whats-inflation-reduction-act

Inflation Reduction Act Summary​

PolicyCost (-)/Savings (2022-2031)
Energy and Climate-$386 billion
Clean Electricity Tax Credits-$161 billion
Air Pollution, Hazardous Materials, Transportation and Infrastructure-$40 billion
Individual Clean Energy Incentives-$37 billion
Clean Manufacturing Tax Credits-$37 billion
Clean Fuel and Vehicle Tax Credits-$36 billion
Conservation, Rural Development, Forestry-$35 billion
Building Efficiency, Electrification, Transmission, Industrial, DOE Grants and Loans-$27 billion
Other Energy and Climate Spending-$14 billion
Health Care-$98 billion
Extension of Expanded ACA Subsidies (three years)-$64 billion
Part D Re-Design, LIS Subsidies, Vaccine Coverage-$34 billion
Total, Spending and Tax Breaks-$485 billion
Health Savings$322 billion
Repeal Trump-Era Drug Rebate Rule$122 billion
Drug Price Inflation Cap$101 billion
Negotiation of Certain Drug Prices$99 billion
Revenue$468 billion
15 Percent Corporate Minimum Tax$313 billion
IRS Tax Enforcement Funding*$124 billion
Closure of Carried Interest Loophole$13 billion
Methane Fee, Superfund Fee, Other Revenue$18 billion
Total, Savings and Revenue$790 billion
Net Deficit Reduction$305 billion

And you believe that these are real numbers that will be achieved?

Never mind...stupid question...of course you do.
 
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