Thoughts on this Florida team moving onto 2024......

[NavigatorII]

So a Tebow/Leak situation? Ok, I'm down.

Yeah, I don't agree with throwing Lagway to the wolves right away either. But he should get some playing time and not in mop up only. The days of having 4 deep QBs of talent went out the door with Gone With the Wind and Bear Bryant. Have some series with Lagway featured, and if Mertz struggles, replace him. But let's not throw Mertz in the trash can, he's proven he can play and play with a line that struggled mightily with pass blocking.

 

[LordofallSocks]

Yeah, I don't agree with throwing Lagway to the wolves right away either. But he should get some playing time and not in mop up only. The days of having 4 deep QBs of talent went out the door with Gone With the Wind and Bear Bryant. Have some series with Lagway featured, and if Mertz struggles, replace him. But let's not throw Mertz in the trash can, he's proven he can play and play with a line that struggled mightily with pass blocking.

The hell's your problem with wolves?

 

[NavigatorII]

The hell's your problem with wolves?

😂

They tend to drink mead? 😂

 

[LordofallSocks]

😂

They tend to drink mead? 😂

Mead is the food of the Gods.

 

[NavigatorII]

Mead is the food of the Gods.

Me apologies, me lord! 😂

 

[instaGATOR]

Brown sucked and it's the coaches fault yet Mertz put up great numbers...but that would require you admitting you were wrong which won't happen. Go back to posting emory jones stats....oh, wait...we got a glimpse of Brown, and mid major is clearly where he belongs.

Mertz put up 5-6 numbers for your enjoyment, with a dink & dunk effort that had the NFL saying sorry, no thanks.

Napier went hard after and flipped Max to UF. He said that he had 'Great Potential' as a QB-dt.

So now you're saying that Napier is FoS and/or very poor at evaluating the HS recruits??? Or is it that Napier is unable to coach up a QB to a winning season?

I just love you being consistent on your own evaluations of player and/or coaching abilities.... 😂

PS --- I'm not going anywhere, and I don't GaS where you go or don't go.... 😛

 

[LordofallSocks]

Me apologies, me lord! 😂

Your obeisance pleases the Sock Lord. Your end will be swift and painless.

 

[Countygator1]

Mertz put up 5-6 numbers for your enjoyment, with a dink & dunk effort that had the NFL saying sorry, no thanks.

Napier went hard after and flipped Max to UF. He said that he had 'Great Potential' as a QB-dt.

So now you're saying that Napier is FoS and/or very poor at evaluating the HS recruits??? Or is it that Napier is unable to coach up a QB to a winning season?

I just love you being consistent on your own evaluations of player and/or coaching abilities.... 😂

PS --- I'm not going anywhere, and I don't GaS where you go or don't go.... 😛

I'm not Napier is FoS, I'm very clearly saying you are. Mertz was our best player on offense, and to argue otherwise is silly and foolish. Brown should have singed with Western Michigan, mid major a much better fit. As to Napier, so far he has blown chunks, but our best players have been his portal player pickups. My all time favorite instability was Whittmore should have been playing over Pearsall...and you bashed the hell out of Pearsall for 2 years just like you've done with Mertz.

 

[TEBOW TIME]

 

[TEBOW TIME]

 

[instaGATOR]

Countrybumpkin, your inflation's and outright lies made me LOL, so please continue with your village idiot based entertainment.... 😂
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2002 QB-pp Chris Leak 6-0 207 HS Sr - Named Parade’s2003 Player of the Year…
Was named a SuperPrep All-America.
Won Ken Hall High School Player of the Year Award.
Named No. 1 player by The Sporting News, USA Today and Tom Lemming.
The Student Sports National High School Player of the Year…

2003 Chris Leak Fr - 13 Gms - 9 Starts - Replaced Ingle Martin & Gavin Dickey as starter.
Passing - 190 of 320, 59.4% for 2,435 Yds, 7.6 Y/A, 16 TD's, 11 Ints, L-70 QBR 132.9

Chris Leak - Football - Florida Gators

Chris Leak (12) QB - HONORS: Chosen as the Offensive Most Valuable Player of the 2007 Tostitos BCS National Championship Game after leading the Gators to a 41-14

floridagators.com

He compiled those tFr stats with the Zookster as his HC, and while beating 3 Top 11 Ranked SEC teams in consecutive road games (LSU-Ark-UGA), including the eventual 13-1 2003 NC LSU 19-7 on the road in 'Death Valley.'
Leak also became the first freshman QB in school history to beat a top-four opponent with a 16-13 win over No. 4 Georgia…

He also posted a season-high 273 yards against No. 9 FSU while also gaining 48 yards on the ground…Also caught a pass from fellow true freshman, WR Andre Caldwell, for a 30-yard gain that set up a Gator TD on the opening drive of the second half…His 273 passing yards versus the Seminoles were the second-highest total in UF history by a true freshman QB.
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2024 QB-dt DJ Lagway's 6-3 241 Fr - HS Sr National PoY Stats per MaxPreps:
Passing - 290 of 402, 72.1% for 4,604 yds, Y/A 15.9, 58 TD's, 8 Ints, L-77 QBR
Rushing - 99 for 957 yds, 9.7 ypc, 16 TD's, L-83 with 3 100+ rushing yards games.
Receiving - 1 for 6 yds

2023 National Gatorade Player of the Year,
2023 Bobby Dodd National Back (High School Heisman) of the Year,
2023 MaxPreps Player of the Year,
2023 Elite 11 National High School Quarterback of the Year,
2023 National Quarterback Club High School Quarterback of the Year...

Anyone that tries to tell me that QB-dt DJ Lagway 6-3 241 as a true Fr can't, or shouldn't be the starter in 2024, is attempting to sell me a wagon load of BS IMO.
(or was the Zookster just that much better of a HC than Napier is?)

Of course, after a few ugly losses, they will likely be forced into doing what they should have done to start with....

 

[bradleygator]

Countrybumpkin, your inflation's and outright lies made me LOL, so please continue with your village idiot based entertainment.... 😂
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2002 QB-pp Chris Leak 6-0 207 HS Sr - Named Parade’s2003 Player of the Year…
Was named a SuperPrep All-America.
Won Ken Hall High School Player of the Year Award.
Named No. 1 player by The Sporting News, USA Today and Tom Lemming.
The Student Sports National High School Player of the Year…

2003 Chris Leak Fr - 13 Gms - 9 Starts - Replaced Ingle Martin & Gavin Dickey as starter.
Passing - 190 of 320, 59.4% for 2,435 Yds, 7.6 Y/A, 16 TD's, 11 Ints, L-70 QBR 132.9

Chris Leak - Football - Florida Gators

Chris Leak (12) QB - HONORS: Chosen as the Offensive Most Valuable Player of the 2007 Tostitos BCS National Championship Game after leading the Gators to a 41-14

floridagators.com

He compiled those tFr stats with the Zookster as his HC, and while beating 3 Top 11 Ranked SEC teams in consecutive road games (LSU-Ark-UGA), including the eventual 13-1 2003 NC LSU 19-7 on the road in 'Death Valley.'
Leak also became the first freshman QB in school history to beat a top-four opponent with a 16-13 win over No. 4 Georgia…

He also posted a season-high 273 yards against No. 9 FSU while also gaining 48 yards on the ground…Also caught a pass from fellow true freshman, WR Andre Caldwell, for a 30-yard gain that set up a Gator TD on the opening drive of the second half…His 273 passing yards versus the Seminoles were the second-highest total in UF history by a true freshman QB.
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2024 QB-dt DJ Lagway's 6-3 241 Fr - HS Sr National PoY Stats per MaxPreps:
Passing - 290 of 402, 72.1% for 4,604 yds, Y/A 15.9, 58 TD's, 8 Ints, L-77 QBR
Rushing - 99 for 957 yds, 9.7 ypc, 16 TD's, L-83 with 3 100+ rushing yards games.
Receiving - 1 for 6 yds

2023 National Gatorade Player of the Year,
2023 Bobby Dodd National Back (High School Heisman) of the Year,
2023 MaxPreps Player of the Year,
2023 Elite 11 National High School Quarterback of the Year,
2023 National Quarterback Club High School Quarterback of the Year...

Anyone that tries to tell me that QB-dt DJ Lagway 6-3 241 as a true Fr can't, or shouldn't be the starter in 2024, is attempting to sell me a wagon load of BS IMO.
(or was the Zookster just that much better of a HC than Napier is?)

Of course, after a few ugly losses, they will likely be forced into doing what they should have done to start with....

Zookster was definitely a better recruiter than CBN, although he was selling a brand built by spurrier and didn’t have to worry about NIL or open transfers.

He was also a better delegator as he had solid coordinators on both sides. Leaks freshman year was really impressive and honestly looks better with age. I really think Leak threw the prettiest ball I’ve ever seen. CJ Stroud is close.

 

[instaGATOR]

Zookster was definitely a better recruiter than CBN, although he was selling a brand built by spurrier and didn’t have to worry about NIL or open transfers.

He was also a better delegator as he had solid coordinators on both sides. Leaks freshman year was really impressive and honestly looks better with age. I really think Leak threw the prettiest ball I’ve ever seen. CJ Stroud is close.

The point I was making is that starting a competent true Fr at QB is very do-able.
Just needs the right coaching staff and offensive system to get it done.
The Gator's have a long history of successful true Fr QB starters....

Leading me to believe that Lagway needs to be the starter now instead of later. While he might lose a game or two early on, it will get him ups to speed quicker, which should be the goal imo.
Others are free to have their own opinions on the subject and to state their reasons for it.

 

[bradleygator]

The point I was making is that starting a competent true Fr at QB is very do-able.
Just needs the right coaching staff and offensive system to get it done.
The Gator's have a long history of successful true Fr QB starters....

Leading me to believe that Lagway needs to be the starter now instead of later. While he might lose a game to two early on, it will get him ups to speed quicker, which should be the goal imo.
Others are free to have their own opinions on the subject and to state their reasons for it.

I would say the best qb should start, whoever that is, and then if and when the season becomes a lost cause you roll with Lagway.

 

[gatordad3]

The point I was making

You could actually make your point in less than 4 sentences rather than copy and pasting 8 paragraphs. Like most of us here do.

 

[ocalaman]

Chuck Oliver really came down hard on the Gator football program today on his radio show. He said Billy Napier's last press conference sounded like he had just taken over a floundering program instead of starting year 3. Oliver pointed out how, other that Pearsall, there were virtually no draftable Gators who will be at Pro Day for NFL scouts to watch. He talked about how we have 107 players and 140 off fielde staff support with the highest paid support staff in D1. he said he had to axe to grind and had no personal bias, but was just pointing out that, in his opinion, Florida football was no more than an average program now and had fallen from the quality status it had started building under Charley Pell.

 

[TEBOW TIME]

 

[Countygator1]

Chuck Oliver really came down hard on the Gator football program today on his radio show. He said Billy Napier's last press conference sounded like he had just taken over a floundering program instead of starting year 3. Oliver pointed out how, other that Pearsall, there were virtually no draftable Gators who will be at Pro Day for NFL scouts to watch. He talked about how we have 107 players and 140 off fielde staff support with the highest paid support staff in D1. he said he had to axe to grind and had no personal bias, but was just pointing out that, in his opinion, Florida football was no more than an average program now and had fallen from the quality status it had started building under Charley Pell.

Yep. Not much talent. Napier has brought in some good portal players that will play on Sundays, but he needs to get either more of those or start firing some of the support staff that is evaluating high school recruits.

 

[Countygator1]

Countrybumpkin, your inflation's and outright lies made me LOL, so please continue with your village idiot based entertainment.... 😂
=====

2002 QB-pp Chris Leak 6-0 207 HS Sr - Named Parade’s2003 Player of the Year…
Was named a SuperPrep All-America.
Won Ken Hall High School Player of the Year Award.
Named No. 1 player by The Sporting News, USA Today and Tom Lemming.
The Student Sports National High School Player of the Year…

2003 Chris Leak Fr - 13 Gms - 9 Starts - Replaced Ingle Martin & Gavin Dickey as starter.
Passing - 190 of 320, 59.4% for 2,435 Yds, 7.6 Y/A, 16 TD's, 11 Ints, L-70 QBR 132.9

Chris Leak - Football - Florida Gators

Chris Leak (12) QB - HONORS: Chosen as the Offensive Most Valuable Player of the 2007 Tostitos BCS National Championship Game after leading the Gators to a 41-14

floridagators.com

He compiled those tFr stats with the Zookster as his HC, and while beating 3 Top 11 Ranked SEC teams in consecutive road games (LSU-Ark-UGA), including the eventual 13-1 2003 NC LSU 19-7 on the road in 'Death Valley.'
Leak also became the first freshman QB in school history to beat a top-four opponent with a 16-13 win over No. 4 Georgia…

He also posted a season-high 273 yards against No. 9 FSU while also gaining 48 yards on the ground…Also caught a pass from fellow true freshman, WR Andre Caldwell, for a 30-yard gain that set up a Gator TD on the opening drive of the second half…His 273 passing yards versus the Seminoles were the second-highest total in UF history by a true freshman QB.
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2024 QB-dt DJ Lagway's 6-3 241 Fr - HS Sr National PoY Stats per MaxPreps:
Passing - 290 of 402, 72.1% for 4,604 yds, Y/A 15.9, 58 TD's, 8 Ints, L-77 QBR
Rushing - 99 for 957 yds, 9.7 ypc, 16 TD's, L-83 with 3 100+ rushing yards games.
Receiving - 1 for 6 yds

2023 National Gatorade Player of the Year,
2023 Bobby Dodd National Back (High School Heisman) of the Year,
2023 MaxPreps Player of the Year,
2023 Elite 11 National High School Quarterback of the Year,
2023 National Quarterback Club High School Quarterback of the Year...

Anyone that tries to tell me that QB-dt DJ Lagway 6-3 241 as a true Fr can't, or shouldn't be the starter in 2024, is attempting to sell me a wagon load of BS IMO.
(or was the Zookster just that much better of a HC than Napier is?)

Of course, after a few ugly losses, they will likely be forced into doing what they should have done to start with....

I haven't lied about anything. You claimed Whittmore was better than transfer Pearsoll and that he shouldn't be playing over Whittmore, you posted emory jones passing rankings at the start of last year in a lame attempt to show he was better than Mertz, you've done nothing but criticize Mertz, you were calling for Brown to be the starter all year, all of those things are 100% factual. But I'm sure you will get your usual case of amnesia and hits us with snoozing emoji. Oh, and now you are calling for Lagway to be the starter...just look above.

 

[bradleygator]

Napier still pulls some really good recruits, but there’s no depth to his class and ultimately his roster. He’s definitely rowing against the current now, trying to sell a below .500 program in year 3. What do you want? Winning in the SEC is hard. That’s why you get paid $7m. If you’re not up to it let’s get someone else in here.

Spurrier pretty well summed it up: good guy, hard worker, not sure he knows what he’s doing.

 

[gatordad3]

Napier still pulls some really good recruits, but there’s no depth to his class and ultimately his roster. He’s definitely rowing against the current now, trying to sell a below .500 program in year 3. What do you want? Winning in the SEC is hard. That’s why you get paid $7m. If you’re not up to it let’s get someone else in here.

Spurrier pretty well summed it up: good guy, hard worker, not sure he knows what he’s doing.

If our dipsh1t AD had any balls, he'd cough up Napier’s buyout and bring in Urban Meyer. Fuchs the boosters and admins who never liked Meyer. His 187-32 record speaks for itself.

 

[instaGATOR]

Spurrier pretty well summed it up: good guy, hard worker, not sure he knows what he’s doing.

The iG says the same about Mertz. Good guy, hard worker, not sure that he will ever have a winning season as a Gator QB.... But hey, can we try him at TE maybe???? (lol)

And that's also likely why Billy was never able to develop QB-dt Max Brown, while he brought in the total waste of time Miller instead. I'm beginning to think that 'xfer QB Napier' is McLame #2, but with less wins.... 🙄

And countrybumpkin, "I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant...."
It's a common and often made mistake on this msg brd.... 😉

 

[bradleygator]

The iG says the same about Mertz. Good guy, hard worker, not sure that he will ever have a winning season as a Gator QB.... But hey, can we try him at TE maybe???? (lol)

And that's also likely why Billy was never able to develop QB-dt Max Brown, while he brought in the total waste of time Miller instead. I'm beginning to think that 'xfer QB Napier' is McLame #2, but with less wins.... 🙄

And countrybumpkin, "I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant...."
It's a common and often made mistake on this msg brd.... 😉

I really don’t get how anyone watched Mertz last year and came away unimpressed. Guy was nails. Got better every game. Would have won us 3 - 4 more games if we even had a speed bump on defense. Would have won that Mizzou game except he broke his damn shoulder trying to get a first down.

Mertz is ok in my book.

 

[instaGATOR]

I agree that Napier and Mertz are just OK.... 😉

But I'd rather have those that are OUTSTANDING, than those that are just ok....

 

[TEBOW TIME]

The iG says the same about Mertz. Good guy, hard worker, not sure that he will ever have a winning season as a Gator QB.... But hey, can we try him at TE maybe???? (lol)

And that's also likely why Billy was never able to develop QB-dt Max Brown, while he brought in the total waste of time Miller instead. I'm beginning to think that 'xfer QB Napier' is McLame #2, but with less wins.... 🙄

And countrybumpkin, "I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant...."
It's a common and often made mistake on this msg brd.... 😉

See post #1,106

 

[Nicktheslick]

See post #1,106

Too lazy, what does it say?

 

[TEBOW TIME]

Too lazy, what does it say?

Max and Miller are gone so let's quit talking about them and going back to the negativity towards Mertz. Lagway is going to have plays called for him this year so let's just sit back and watch

 

[TEBOW TIME]

 

[TEBOW TIME]

2 good watches and what a pleasure to hear "yes, ma'am" Good man! This kid is super positive!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nicktheslick]

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2 good watches and what a pleasure to hear "yes, ma'am" Good man! This kid is super positive!!!!!!!!!!!!

Living south Alabama all I heard from the bama fan was “why the heck is Shemar James going to Florida?” Glad we got him.

 

[TEBOW TIME]

Princely Umanmielen adds some spice to Florida-Ole Miss game with shot at Billy Napier’s staff

Princely Umanmielen, a transfer from Florida to Ole Miss, called out his former coaches.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

Princely giving us a hard time

 

[Nicktheslick]

I didn’t expect him to say it was a bed of roses here.

 

[instaGATOR]

Is that a lazy practice player that requires coaches on his ass constantly to get anything or any improvement out of him???

If so, then the 'team' is better off without him imo, despite his natural raw talent.

 

[Nicktheslick]

Is that a lazy practice player that requires coaches on his ass constantly to get anything or any improvement out of him???

If so, then the 'team' is better off without him imo, despite his natural raw talent.

Agree

 

[TEBOW TIME]

 

[instaGATOR]

Just the plain simple facts ma'am....

2017 McLame 4-7
Mullen did not take over a winning or talent packed team, as some have tried to insinuate here.
If they were, they wouldn't have gone 4-7....

2018 Mullen 10-3 after taking over a 4-7 loser team in total disarray....
2019 Mullen 11-2 - Began hot in Yr-1 and still improved in Yr-2.

Co-V Scamdemic + Woke Socialist-U's clueless idiotic polices (in the iG's OHO)....

2020 Mullen 8-4 - wanted to pack the SWAMP like aTm had done at home.
All support for non-Woke Dan disappears and he knows he's on the way out...
2021 Mullen 6-7
In 4 years of Mullen with 2 scamdemic Yrs, Dan still went 35-16 for a winning % of .686

2022 Napier 6-7
Year #2's progress/digress:
2023 Napier 5-7

That's with incredible full support + NIL + the biggest and highest paid staff in D1 football.
So far Napier has gone 11-14 with a .440 winning %.

Company man's chant:
What's a matter you boy, gotta no respect.
Whu-da-ya think ya -do? Whyda-ya-looka so sad?
It's-a not so bad, it's-a nice place, aw shud-dupa-yo-face.....

SOS + the iG - "He's a good guy and a hard worker, but I'm not sure that he knows what he's doing."

iG Speculation:
HS Recruits - slow/poor development = many quality player bailout transfers
Incoming Portal - Better, because someone else has already coached them up.....

 

[instaGATOR]

Everyone posting to this sports message board has OPINIONS.
Opinions differ, pretty boring if we all agreed on every point.
Make of the facts/stats, whatever you will and then state your own opinions on what they mean.

2017 = #9 Recruiting Class, 24 commits. -- McLame/Mullen Transition Class
with 7 de-commits in McLame's departing class

2018 = #11 Recruiting Class, 20 commits, without the 'Open Xfer Portal' or NIL advantage in Dan's 1st class.

2019 = #9 Recruiting Class, 26 commits.
Plus 1 incoming xfer, from Louisville, EDGE Jon Greenard who later went on to the NFL.
Grantham recruited him to UL when he was the DC/DL there and re-recruited him to UF.

2020 = #8 Recruiting Class, 24 commits, plus the Xfer Portal opens up:
CB Khamai Ellison **
RB Lorenzo Lingard ****
OG Stewart Reese ****
WR Justin Shorter *****
K Zack Sessa **
OLB Noah Keeter ***
WR Jordan Pouncey ***
OLB Brenton Cox *****

2021 = #12 Recruiting Class, 23 commits + 8 Xfer-in -- Mullen/Napier Transition Class
With 10 de-commits in Dan's departing class.

2022 = #17 Recruiting Class, 21 commits + 6 Xfers in Billy's first full class...

2023 #12 Recruiting Class - 22 commits + 12 Xfer-ins

2024 #12 Recruiting Class - 16 commits + 11 Xfer-ins

In 3 classes (22-23-24) that's 59 recruits to 29 xfer-in.

Incoming to Outgoing Transfers:

2022 - Incoming = 6 -- Outgoing = 22
2023 - Incoming =12 -- Outgoing = 27
2024 - Incoming = 11 -- Outgoing = 14
Last 3 Years - Incoming = 29 -- Outgoing = 63

Billy seems to be trying to make a living on the pre-coached up xfer-ins....

In a coaching transition class, some bail-outs are to be expected.
But when you have 16 HS commits, to 22 bail outs between your 2nd and 3rd season, many of them your own previous seasons recruits, then that doesn't seem like a good deal to me....
(I refuse to be an -----)

And different opinions, using the same facts, are always welcomed by me....
Let's see your own slant/spin, because telling me to STFU ain't gonna get it... 😎

 

[gatordad3]

I will say with the right talent to fit his system, Primo Eddie was one of the best offensive coaches around, but he never recruited at Napier and Meyer's level. The only player I remember him recruiting hard when nobody on the staff wanted him was Jeff Demps.

 

[LordofallSocks]

I will say with the right talent to fit his system, Primo Eddie was one of the best offensive coaches around, but he never recruited at Napier and Meyer's level. The only player I remember him recruiting hard when nobody on the staff wanted him was Jeff Demps.

Recruit all you want, if you can't coach em up and they leave does it matter?

If there isn't an OC on staff by August I'm officially done with Sling Blade.

 

[instaGATOR]

I will say with the right talent to fit his system, Primo Eddie was one of the best offensive coaches around, but he never recruited at Napier and Meyer's level. The only player I remember him recruiting hard when nobody on the staff wanted him was Jeff Demps.

Sorry goaterdud3, but that just sounds senseless to me... --- Demps? WTF-over???
The HC's whole staff does the recruiting, but it's the HC that signs them, it's his responsibility....

HC Mullen's Recruit class rankings = #9 - #11 - #9 - #8 -- Ave 37/4 = 9.25

HC Napier's Recruit class rankings = #12 - #17 - #12 - #12 -- Ave 53/4 = 13.25