OT: SEC Co-Defensive Player of the Year announces he is gay

[tbbuc99]

Originally posted by ufklowery:

Originally posted by tbbuc99:

Originally posted by ufklowery:

Originally posted by tbbuc99:
That is dumb. Black, white, yellow, brown, you can't change a skin color. Homosexuality is a choice, be it a confused choice, it is still a choice. Oh and you can also disagree, it is your choice and opinion.

What were you saying about ignorance? Because this is about as ignorant as it gets. There's quite a bit of science supporting the fact that it is not a choice.

You are one ignorant bastard.

Thanks for your opinion ufklowery, science as it is can determine certain things, some definitive answers and some only partial answers, while sometimes things are still unknown. Truth is, I don't dislike homosexuals for their sexual orientation, I don't agree with the lifestyle, but I don't dislike them and tell them they shouldn't live that lifestyle, that would be ignorant, it is their choice to live that way. I would argue the abortion fact with you though since the baby has no opinion in killing it! To think otherwise, in my opinion would be ignorant, ask those who have had abortions about 10 years later, majority will tell you the same.

1. What the hell does that even mean?

2. What the hell are you bringing abortion up for?

I'll say this once for you lowery because I can tell your one of those that when the opinion is other than yours, you seem to get overcome with rage. You are the one who brought up ethnicity or skin color as being the same thing. It is not, no matter what you want to think, lifestyle has nothing to do with your skin color. Your skin color does not determine your action or how you live! So I invoked another hot topic that I figured would be more of a black and white subject when it comes to choice. I guess I could say "what the hell did you bring up skin color for?"
For what it's worth I'm done, I'll give you the last word since I'm sure no one else wants to see these drawn out arguments.

This post was edited on 2/9 11:19 PM by tbbuc99

 

[tbbuc99]

Originally posted by GWWW:

Originally posted by ufklowery:

Originally posted by tbbuc99:

Originally posted by ufklowery:

Originally posted by tbbuc99:
That is dumb. Black, white, yellow, brown, you can't change a skin color. Homosexuality is a choice, be it a confused choice, it is still a choice. Oh and you can also disagree, it is your choice and opinion.

What were you saying about ignorance? Because this is about as ignorant as it gets. There's quite a bit of science supporting the fact that it is not a choice.

You are one ignorant bastard.

Thanks for your opinion ufklowery, science as it is can determine certain things, some definitive answers and some only partial answers, while sometimes things are still unknown. Truth is, I don't dislike homosexuals for their sexual orientation, I don't agree with the lifestyle, but I don't dislike them and tell them they shouldn't live that lifestyle, that would be ignorant, it is their choice to live that way. I would argue the abortion fact with you though since the baby has no opinion in killing it! To think otherwise, in my opinion would be ignorant, ask those who have had abortions about 10 years later, majority will tell you the same.

1. What the hell does that even mean?

2. What the hell are you bringing abortion up for?

I agree, I don't think Michael Sam should be able to have an abortion.

Legally he can, I just disagree with them.

 

[ufklowery]

Originally posted by tbbuc99:

Originally posted by ufklowery:

Originally posted by tbbuc99:

Originally posted by ufklowery:

Originally posted by tbbuc99:
That is dumb. Black, white, yellow, brown, you can't change a skin color. Homosexuality is a choice, be it a confused choice, it is still a choice. Oh and you can also disagree, it is your choice and opinion.

What were you saying about ignorance? Because this is about as ignorant as it gets. There's quite a bit of science supporting the fact that it is not a choice.

You are one ignorant bastard.

Thanks for your opinion ufklowery, science as it is can determine certain things, some definitive answers and some only partial answers, while sometimes things are still unknown. Truth is, I don't dislike homosexuals for their sexual orientation, I don't agree with the lifestyle, but I don't dislike them and tell them they shouldn't live that lifestyle, that would be ignorant, it is their choice to live that way. I would argue the abortion fact with you though since the baby has no opinion in killing it! To think otherwise, in my opinion would be ignorant, ask those who have had abortions about 10 years later, majority will tell you the same.

1. What the hell does that even mean?

2. What the hell are you bringing abortion up for?

I'll say this once for you lowery because I can tell your one of those that when the opinion is other than yours, you are overcome with rage. You are the one who brought up ethnicity or skin color as being the same thing. It is not, no matter what you want to think, lifestyle has nothing to do with your skin color. Your skin color does not determine your action or how you live! So I invoked another hot topic that I figured would be more of a black and white subject when it comes to choice. I guess I could say "what the hell did you bring up skin color for?

Because, like homosexuality, it is an attribute that you are born with.

 

[gator1776]

I have no idea why this is even a friggen story. Who cares what he smokes as long as he can play.

 

[jromek90]

If he wants to be gay then so be it but damn I see all the beautiful women in the world and I always wonder how the hell any man could be gay. I just don't get it I guess lol.
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[E3PO]

If you asked Michael Sam, he'd probably say he wonders how anybody could be straight with all the smoking dudes in the world. It's just how his brain is wired.

 

[Creosuh]

It shouldn't impact his draft status. He and can really penetrate the gap. Some critics say that when he gets engaged with a tight end he can get a little stiff though.

 

[Faweez]

Good for him. This will also be good for others his age that believe they have to hide their sexuality. It's probably going to make things slightly more difficult for him short term, but he'll be happier long term and will help others.

Always interesting when someone tries to frame it as a 'lifestyle'. Crazy that all of us heterosexuals have the same lifestyle, which is radically different from the one lifestyle that all gay people have. So weird.

 

[TCNELLY84]

TBBUC99 Sam might not agree it is right you like girls. Get over yourself and what you are on board with it is a new society not everyone is in the "closet" anymore. I bet you would attempt suicide if Tebow said he was gay.

 

[Skerplunky]

haha, I knew where this thread was headed. I'm with ya though tbuc. Someone isn't born with a sexual preference.

 

[kento1978]

Pedephilia(spelling?) Beastiality(spelling?) Necrophilia , Incest are all sexual preferences. Down syndrome , autisim are conditions you are born with that are considered abnormal. So just because you are born with a predisposition doent make it normal or mandatory that people accept it, some people are predisposed to be racist, or fat. With that said how anybody has sex as long as its not a crime i.e rape, molestation I have no reason to give a shit. Except when I have to explain it to my kids, funny they never question inter-racial, unless its same-sex.

 

[tbbuc99]

Originally posted by TCNELLY84:
TBBUC99 Sam might not agree it is right you like girls. Get over yourself and what you are on board with it is a new society not everyone is in the "closet" anymore. I bet you would attempt suicide if Tebow said he was gay.

That's ignorant.

 

[ippon1980]

That was a good one, Going to use today at work.

 

[gatoreyes]

Originally posted by jromek90:
damn I see all the beautiful women in the world and I always wonder how the hell any man could be gay.
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Funny I thought the same thing plus remember he is possibly giving up on millions of dollars in salary if he drops in the draft or worse an NFL career. But I took it a step further. So either, (a) gay sex is so good that you would ignore all of those women and money, (b) being gay is not a choice, or (c) he really likes parades.

 

[WauchulaGator]

Originally posted by Creosuh:
It shouldn't impact his draft status. He and can really penetrate the gap. Some critics say that when he gets engaged with a tight end he can get a little stiff though.

Those tight ends usually have to play the rest of the game at the wide receiver position.

 

[williamschwind]

the first openly gay NFL player ? Probably gonna find out half of the NFL is gay.

I think all that predisposed stuff is bunch of shit. No doubt there are some girly guys and manly women...and I'm sure many really struggle with it and I feel bad for them cuz it is something they wish was different...but not the epidemic that's going on...it's a lifestyle choice....it's a freak world...not just the gays...the whole place has gone crazy.

 

[sg0508]

Originally posted by sg0508:

Originally posted by tbbuc99:

Originally posted by ufklowery:

Originally posted by tbbuc99:

Originally posted by misterburns:

Originally posted by gator285:
Blehhhhhhhh

classy, well thought out post

Like stated in an earlier post, it is an opinion, like it or not, not everyone is on board with the homosexual life style. Really nothing ignorant about it, just don't agree with it.

What is there to agree with?
Do you "agree" with someone being black?

That is dumb. Black, white, yellow, brown, you can't change a skin color. Homosexuality is a choice, be it a confused choice, it is still a choice. Oh and you can also disagree, it is your choice and opinion.

So is it your choice that you're straight, or gay, or whatever you "think" you are?

. Just saying.

Interesting how tbbuc hasn't responded to this. If you ever ask anyone this question, either one of three responses are typically received:

1) None because there really isn't a viable answer other than, "I didn't choose to be straight/gay/bi/whatever"

2) Go f..k yourself

3) Some quotable nonsense from the bible.

Just saying

 

[GatorMosc]

For all you guys adamantly claiming it's a lifestyle choice, answer me one thing: At what point in your life did you "choose" to be attracted to girls instead of boys? If you're being honest, I doubt you can. I certainly can't point to a "moment" when I "chose" to like girls. I just did. Much like most people that are homosexual can't tell you when they "chose" to be attracted to boys. They just were. I usually avoid these types of convos b/c you can't argue with irrationality. It's much safer for people to think that sexual orientation is a choice then to admit that your brain could have been wired in a way that made you attracted to someone of the same sex.

Edit: Was writing this before you posted SG, but that's basically what I was getting at.
This post was edited on 2/10 8:24 AM by GatorMosc

 

[gator1776]

Kento, as an autistic gay man with downs syndrome that enjoys making love to dead male road kill animals, I am greatly offended by your comments.

This post was edited on 2/10 8:22 AM by gator1776

 

[kento1978]

Dont be I think you should be able to have sex how ever you like.

 

[misterburns]

I love the 'its a choice' argument.

So each time you watch porn or get lucky enough to have some female get near your twig and berries, you have to tell yourself - you have to 'make a choice', that its time to rise and shine.

Oh, okay. That makes sense. Good grief.

 

[delach88]

Sigh,sometimes it makes me sad to visit this site.

This post was edited on 2/10 10:00 AM by delach88

 

[jromek90]

Originally posted by E3PO:
If you asked Michael Sam, he'd probably say he wonders how anybody could be straight with all the smoking dudes in the world. It's just how his brain is wired.

If that's the case I'm so glad mine is wired differently. THANK YOU JESUS

 

[perdidokeygator]

Who cares what his life style is today or any day. One thing I know is there is a God and I am not him or her! Keep in mind not everyone adheres to the evangelical version of Christianity! Whether someone is gay is not relevant to whether he is competent in his job.

 

[FLTom]

I think he did that on purpose hoping that the team that drafts him has the locker room to accept him.

 

[Twistfeeder]

I had a buddy in college who I had the choice vs predisposition argument With. I argued that people came pre wired. He chose to come out a few years afterwards. It will be nice for people in 50 years when this is more of a non issue
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[ufklowery]

Originally posted by Skerplunky:
haha, I knew where this thread was headed. I'm with ya though tbuc. Someone isn't born with a sexual preference.

So, I'm still waiting on the peer-reviewed study that shows sexual preference is a choice.

I imagine that I'll still be waiting this time tomorrow.

 

[ih8f$u]

To anyone who says its a choice, what you're saying is that, right now, if you wanted, you could choose to be gay? You could, based solely on choice, decide to be attracted to men? I couldn't, anymore than I could be attracted to, say, Rosie O'Donnell. You're attracted to who you're attracted to. There's no "choice" about it. Also, not to pile on tbuc, but your skin color absolutely does affect your lifestyle, because we allowed people to be treated as 2nd (3rd? 10th) class citizens legally up until all the way back in 1964. Th effects of that absolutely do still echo through those communities and the disproportionate levels if poverty and crime that affect the African American and other communities. If you see that, and see how the very same political faction uses the very same rationale (the Bible, maintaining a certain "way of life") to repress the gay community as they did other minorities for hundreds of years, its hard not to get angry.

Harlan Ellison said that you aren't entitled to anything but your informed opinion. I would agree with that. It's not okay to just hate someone for who they are. And sorry, but when you want to deny someone equal rights, that's what you're doing. It may just be an opinion, but it does, without question, damage other people, so you can expect a prett vigorous debate when you express it. If I see someone doing something that harms others, its hard to just stand idly by and say "it's just their opinion " because the effects don't end with your personal ideology.

Again, not to pile on, tbuc, but I can see this getting pretty heated and frankly, I didn't want to just call you names, but tell you why I think what you said was uncool and not as innocent as you believe it to be. And frankly, it is prett much the same as hating someone for their skin color... Mainly because it doesn't affect you, or anyone else, at all, so there is no reason to have "an opinion" on it whatsoever. Who someone is attracted to is not anyone else's business, even if you want to think its a choice.

There are plenty of reasons you can find to hate someone. Their sexual orientation isn't one of them. And again, you may have nothing personal against a particular individual, but when you want to deny them the same rights as anyone else, I don't see how that isn't even more insidious hatred than calling them names to their face.

 

[Twistfeeder]

You know what, he is right, some people arent born with a sexual preference. They are called bisexual. The only choice for gays and lesbians is whether or not they come out. Some people just can't wrap their brain around that one.
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[StevieBGator]

I thought this was obvious by the way he ass raped our offense.

 

[E3PO]

Originally posted by Twistfeeder:
I had a buddy in college who I had the choice vs predisposition argument With. I argued that people came pre wired. He chose to come out a few years afterwards. It will be nice for people in 50 years when this is more of a non issue
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Yeah, history won't be kind to the people on the wrong side of this. Just as it hasn't been to people against the Civil Rights movement.

I used to take the "who cares, as long as it doesn't affect me" approach to this, but now, I really do care. I know a lot of great people that are gay and it's important to me that everybody has the right to love who they want to love, marry who they want to marry and be accepted in our culture for it.

 

[markde]

Originally posted by LTGator:

Originally posted by FresnoGator:
He can surely plug up a lot of holes, LT and after get balls deep into the backfield ...

From the Buck Linebacker position no doubt.

Funny stuff by both of you guys.

 

[markde]

Originally posted by FresnoGator:
Look, what Michael Sam and StevieB do in the privacy of their own homes is their business ...

I like this one, too.

Stevie B. this deserves some kind of response.

 

[markde]

Originally posted by StevieBGator:

I thought this was obvious by the way he ass raped our offense.

That was good, but you still owe Fresno a retort.

 

[NITTI]

Originally posted by E3PO:

Originally posted by Twistfeeder:
I had a buddy in college who I had the choice vs predisposition argument With. I argued that people came pre wired. He chose to come out a few years afterwards. It will be nice for people in 50 years when this is more of a non issue
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Yeah, history won't be kind to the people on the wrong side of this. Just as it hasn't been to people against the Civil Rights movement.

I used to take the "who cares, as long as it doesn't affect me" approach to this, but now, I really do care. I know a lot of great people that are gay and it's important to me that everybody has the right to love who they want to love, marry who they want to marry and be accepted in our culture for it.

Could not give a crap one way or the other. I watch sport for sport not for social or political commetary. I don't care who this guy or anyone else sleeps with. It is his business and none of my business. Can't stand the pious sportscasters becoming politically correct for the purpose of gaining favor... Being on the right or wrong side of history can be a fickle thing... I find it hard to imagine that rotting corpses care if they are on the right or wrong side of hisory in other peoples' opinion. Culture likewise is fickle and ever changing. If you worry about what culture accepts or does not accept you are in for a lifetime of other peoples opinion regulating your actions. That said, comparing homsexuality to the plight of African Americans/ slavery is obnoxious. This thread is in the wrong forum.

 

[kento1978]

How did science prove that people are born gay?

 

[ufklowery]

Originally posted by kento1978:
How did science prove that people are born gay?

There are several theories that seem to hold substance.

There are several identical twin studies that show that there is a significantly higher chance that one twin is homosexual if the other is homosexual. This points to factors either in the womb or genetic.

There is a study that has been replicated that shows that the more older brothers a child has, the more likely that the child is homosexual. This points to some sort of factors in the womb.

There are also studies that point to "nurture" factors.

In all likelihood it is a mix of genetic, womb, and social factors.

 

[gatorlaw13]

Originally posted by tbbuc99:

Originally posted by UND3ADxARMY95:
A confused choice? Lol wow the ignorance here is just sad

Again, opinion. Yours and mine. Don't think I'd call it ignorant, I listen to all opinions and then determine as I do, as does anyone else. To believe because someone disagrees with something it is because of ignorance is, well ignorant.

You are right, you are entitled to your opinion. However, just because you have an opinion doesn't automatically make that opinion legitimate. For instance, I can say my opinion is that our football team wasn't that bad last year and I can be totally entitled to that opinion. But as every sane person knows our football team was terrible. It would still be my opinion, but it would be a very ignorant opinion.

P.S. I don not believe our team was good....just wanted to clear that up

This post was edited on 2/10 1:30 PM by gatorlaw13

This post was edited on 2/10 1:31 PM by gatorlaw13

 

[StevieBGator]

Originally posted by markde:

Originally posted by FresnoGator:
Look, what Michael Sam and StevieB do in the privacy of their own homes is their business ...

I like this one, too.

Stevie B. this deserves some kind of response.

Good stuff. I can't beleve I missed it. My response is...

VERY FUNNY. Sometimes someone gets you and all you can do is laugh, lick your wounds (or his wife's canker sores) and move on.

 

[E3PO]

Originally posted by NITTI:

Originally posted by E3PO:

Originally posted by Twistfeeder:
I had a buddy in college who I had the choice vs predisposition argument With. I argued that people came pre wired. He chose to come out a few years afterwards. It will be nice for people in 50 years when this is more of a non issue
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Yeah, history won't be kind to the people on the wrong side of this. Just as it hasn't been to people against the Civil Rights movement.

I used to take the "who cares, as long as it doesn't affect me" approach to this, but now, I really do care. I know a lot of great people that are gay and it's important to me that everybody has the right to love who they want to love, marry who they want to marry and be accepted in our culture for it.

Could not give a crap one way or the other. I watch sport for sport not for social or political commetary. I don't care who this guy or anyone else sleeps with. It is his business and none of my business. Can't stand the pious sportscasters becoming politically correct for the purpose of gaining favor... Being on the right or wrong side of history can be a fickle thing... I find it hard to imagine that rotting corpses care if they are on the right or wrong side of hisory in other peoples' opinion. Culture likewise is fickle and ever changing. If you worry about what culture accepts or does not accept you are in for a lifetime of other peoples opinion regulating your actions. That said, comparing homsexuality to the plight of African Americans/ slavery is obnoxious. This thread is in the wrong forum.

You know, all this time living in California, I often forget that people like you exist, in fairly large numbers. Thankfully, that won't be the case in a few decades.