Caitlin Clark Salary Disparity Outrage on MSNBC

[gator1776]

Clark went number 1 in WNBA draft and will make $338,000 over 4 years.
Victor Wembanyama went number one and last year’s NBA draft and will make $55,000,000 over 4 years (25,000,000 signing bonus).

Lots of discussion about this on the news right now calling attention to the gender** wage disparity.

Personally, I have no issue with this. This is capitalism. One product is much more valuable than the other, and therefore gets paid more. But they are really making a big deal out of this. I think as the women’s game becomes more popular, the salaries will go up, but that should be based off of merit and capitalism not forced.


**gender** is actually used grammatically incorrectly in the sense, it should be sex, but I won’t use that because some people will get childish about it

 

[LordofallSocks]

When the NBA stops subsidizing the WNBA and the WNBA can sell merch and put butts in seats like the NBA, maybe I'll give a crap.

 

[gator1776]

When the NBA stops subsidizing the WNBA and the WNBA can sell merch and put butts in seats like the NBA, maybe I'll give a crap.

Then, again, maybe you won’t 🤣🤣

 

[LordofallSocks]

Then, again, maybe you won’t 🤣🤣

Touche.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Lots of discussion about this on the news right now calling attention to the gender** wage disparity.

Personally, I have no issue with this. This is capitalism. One product is much more valuable than the other, and therefore gets paid more. But they are really making a big deal out of this. I think as the women’s game becomes more popular, the salaries will go up, but that should be based off of merit and capitalism not forced.

As simple as said right here......

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

**gender** is actually used grammatically incorrectly in the Sims, it should be sex, but I won’t use that because some people will get childish about it

^

 

[dezyDeco]

Clark went number 1 in WNBA draft and will make $338,000 over 4 years.
Victor Wembanyama went number one and last year’s NBA draft and will make $55,000,000 over 4 years (25,000,000 signing bonus).

Lots of discussion about this on the news right now calling attention to the gender** wage disparity.

Personally, I have no issue with this. This is capitalism. One product is much more valuable than the other, and therefore gets paid more. But they are really making a big deal out of this. I think as the women’s game becomes more popular, the salaries will go up, but that should be based off of merit and capitalism not forced.


**gender** is actually used grammatically incorrectly in the Sims, it should be sex, but I won’t use that because some people will get childish about it

😳 338K over four years. Wow. Didn’t know it was that low. Good thing Clark already has deals with State Farm and Gatorade.

Normally, I’d agree with your point about capitalism… but in this case, I definitely want to see the NBA combine with the WNBA and split all that money 50/50. Because EQUITY and all that, y’know!

 

[FresnoGator]

😳 338K over four years. Wow. Didn’t know it was that low. Good thing Clark already has deals with State Farm and Gatorade.

Normally, I’d agree with your point about capitalism… but in this case, I definitely want to see the NBA combine with the WNBA and split all that money 50/50. Because EQUITY and all that, y’know!

No, make no mistake. The NBA will bend the knee in order to look good, but they are not splitting up their billions to satisfy the social justice agenda. That's why the NBA has been propping up the WNBA for the past 26 years without having one single profitable one. With that track record almost every other business would go belly up and fold up their tent.. but the WNBA has double down with proposed expansion. The college game for women may be becoming more popular, but the WNBA sure as hell isn't and it will continue to lose money handover fist, but at least they're still in business., anything beyond that is pie in the sky fantasy ...

 

[dezyDeco]

No, make no mistake. The NBA will bend the knee in order to look good, but they are not splitting up their billions…

Oh, believe me, I know they won’t! I’d just love to see some SJWs get that particular -equal pay- drumbeat started in pro basketball. 😜

I’d pay money to watch a press conference with LeBum James, if he got questions like:

Media: “They’re both #1 picks, but Clark gets (scraps) while Wemby got the mother lode. You supported the Women’s National Soccer Team when they wanted funding on par with the Men’s Team… has the time come for the NBA do the same with the WNBA, too???”

LeBum: (fakes getting an urgent phone call) “SEEYA!!!”

 

[grandhavendiddy]

I happen to think:

1. that athletes are ridiculously overpaid.

2. Males are paid way more than females

3. Females should be given a gain share to allow them to grow the business and then share in the results

4. Total comp matters - what will CC make in endorsement revenues

5. NBA should prop up WNBA

6. Wait until the Trangender discussion chimes in. LeBrana would destroy Angel Reese.

7. Interesting that MSNBC advocates for a white woman over a black male. They got their intersectional editorial rubric wrong.

Either way, love what Caitlin, Angela and others have done for the college women’s game. Way more interesting than the men’s bracket.

Way more.

Hopefully the dollars appropriately follow.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

I happen to think:

1. that athletes are ridiculously overpaid.

2. Males are paid way more than females

3. Females should be given a gain share to allow them to grow the business and then share in the results

4. Total comp matters - what will CC make in endorsement revenues

5. NBA should prop up WNBA

6. Wait until the Trangender discussion chimes in. LeBrana would destroy Angel Reese.

7. Interesting that MSNBC advocates for a white woman over a black male. They got their intersectional editorial rubric wrong.

Either way, love what Caitlin, Angela and others have done for the college women’s game. Way more interesting than the men’s bracket.

Way more.

Hopefully the dollars appropriately follow.

Concerning pay...do you think females should be paid more because they are females? Because I think ANYONE should be paid what they are worth. How profitable is WNBA? Does the WNBA even make money?


Concerning the second highlighted...you would have to pay off of profit? Because paying off of gross revenue may just mean you lose MORE money.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

Concerning pay...do you think females should be paid more because they are females? Because I think ANYONE should be paid what they are worth. How profitable is WNBA? Does the WNBA even make money?


Concerning the second highlighted...you would have to pay off of profit? Because paying off of gross revenue may just mean you lose MORE money.

I happen to think that NBA and WNBA should be treated as a portfolio, that one brand supports another, and distribute the TV revenues to support the portfolio.

All businesses do this to some extent. All of them and take my Big four consulting partners who take earnings and DIPP (Distributable income per partner) in a portfolio point of view.

I would do it on revenue and, at most EBIT as the players do not impact or control the below the COGS line. For this line of work, revenue (TV, seats, merch) are what they control and can easily measure.

 

[jsfgators]

they should just shut down the WNBA for lack of interest. Men’s high school varsity basketball is a better product.

 

[FresnoGator]

I happen to think that NBA and WNBA should be treated as a portfolio, that one brand supports another, and distribute the TV revenues to support the portfolio.

All businesses do this to some extent. All of them and take my Big four consulting partners who take earnings and DIPP (Distributable income per partner) in a portfolio point of view.

I would do it on revenue and, at most EBIT as the players do not impact or control the below the COGS line. For this line of work, revenue (TV, seats, merch) are what they control and can easily measure.

If I own a portfolio like that, I’m cutting my losses by selling the WNBA portion of it and not looking back …

 

[grandhavendiddy]

If I own a portfolio like that, I’m cutting my losses by selling the WNBA portion of it and not looking back …

Perhaps. The WNBA makes money but is chronically underinvested. The value of the franchises keep rising.

The players get 50 percent of revenue on 10b. Women get 20 percent on 200m.

Bad union negotiation from the women and people like Cathy E. (Who was a fellow partner at another firm) is doing little, it appears, to address.

Combine and women (and men) can get 50 percent (or hell 45 percent) of 10.2B.

The money that people like Viktor make is ridiculous. He just dribbles and shoots a basketball. Make 9 versus 10/year. Who cares.

Again, simple things can be done to reduce concentration of wealth and support a broader group of athletes.

Also - this is what we do in Title IX

 

[Capt Ron 1]

I happen to think that NBA and WNBA should be treated as a portfolio, that one brand supports another, and distribute the TV revenues to support the portfolio.

All businesses do this to some extent. All of them and take my Big four consulting partners who take earnings and DIPP (Distributable income per partner) in a portfolio point of view.

I would do it on revenue and, at most EBIT as the players do not impact or control the below the COGS line. For this line of work, revenue (TV, seats, merch) are what they control and can easily measure.

Can you tell me the difference between this...and pure socialism? Why as a business owner would I want an incredibly WEAK business, and expect my thriving business to carry it? Sorry my friend...business does not work this way. Your bleeding heart is getting in the way of rational thought here. ANY good businessman would cut this part out of his portfolio...(unless of course it is profitable, and I do not know if they are) unless they believe they can grow that business. I do not think the public interest in the WNBA is ever going to compare to the NBA.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

If I own a portfolio like that, I’m cutting my losses by selling the WNBA portion of it and not looking back …

This is EXACTLY what a good businessman would do. They are not looking to be do gooders...they are looking for max return on their investments

 

[NavigatorII]

I happen to think that NBA and WNBA should be treated as a portfolio, that one brand supports another, and distribute the TV revenues to support the portfolio.

All businesses do this to some extent. All of them and take my Big four consulting partners who take earnings and DIPP (Distributable income per partner) in a portfolio point of view.

I would do it on revenue and, at most EBIT as the players do not impact or control the below the COGS line. For this line of work, revenue (TV, seats, merch) are what they control and can easily measure.

C'mon man. You can put lipstick on a pig and give her a red sun dress, but at the end of the day it's still a pig. Nobody watches the WNBA, they get what their revenues can support. Ticket sales, tv contracts, and advertising fund all professional sports. Women's sports are the MSNBC of journalism. If anything, someone should kickstart a professional women's fast pitch softball league. I'd actually watch that a little. But with basketball, the skill level is like watch junior high hoops.

The NBA is no longer interesting to me. They've turned the game into nothing but a race up the court where a defender can't even stand in the way without getting called for a foul near the basket. Like Michael Brown motto, "HANDS DOWN, SHOOT"!

Gone are the days back when defense could be played. I hated the Detroit Pistons because they were thugs but they got away with. It made for much better basketball games.

 

[NavigatorII]

This is EXACTLY what a good businessman would do. They are not looking to be do gooders...they are looking for max return on their investments

Wait until BlackRock Capital gets a hold on them. 😂

 

[grandhavendiddy]

C'mon man. You can put lipstick on a pig and give her a red sun dress, but at the end of the day it's still a pig. Nobody watches the WNBA, they get what their revenues can support. Ticket sales, tv contracts, and advertising fund all professional sports. Women's sports are the MSNBC of journalism. If anything, someone should kickstart a professional women's fast pitch softball league. I'd actually watch that a little. But with basketball, the skill level is like watch junior high hoops.

The NBA is no longer interesting to me. They've turned the game into nothing but a race up the court where a defender can't even stand in the way without getting called for a foul near the basket. Like Michael Brown motto, "HANDS DOWN, SHOOT"!

Gone are the days back when defense could be played. I hated the Detroit Pistons because they were thugs but they got away with. It made for much better basketball games.

Working backwards…

I agree that the NBA sucks. WNBA was an unwatchable woke fest in 2021, but Caitlin can bring it up.

They should get 50 percent of revenues like the men, not 20.

Caitlin should get more than 77k a year. My daughter out of Rice, who is a relative nobody (I love her of course, lol) will make 100k. That ridiculous.

I don’t care that much about the WNBA. No one is winning or losing elections, but we can call out some degree of fairness / ridiculousness.

I hope that Caitlin makes that money in endorsements. That’s what I really want to see.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Working backwards…

I agree that the NBA sucks. WNBA was an unwatchable woke fest in 2021, but Caitlin can bring it up.

They should get 50 percent of revenues like the men, not 20.

Caitlin should get more than 77k a year. My daughter out of Rice, who is a relative nobody (I love her of course, lol) will make 100k. That ridiculous.

I don’t care that much about the WNBA. No one is winning or losing elections, but we can call out some degree of fairness / ridiculousness.

I hope that Caitlin makes that money in endorsements. That’s what I really want to see.

In theory...I agree. But my question would be this (and I do not know the answer) IF they did this...would the WNBA still be profitable? Because EVERYONE is out of a job if they have to shut down due to losing money.

 

[LordofallSocks]

Working backwards…

I agree that the NBA sucks. WNBA was an unwatchable woke fest in 2021, but Caitlin can bring it up.

They should get 50 percent of revenues like the men, not 20.

Caitlin should get more than 77k a year. My daughter out of Rice, who is a relative nobody (I love her of course, lol) will make 100k. That ridiculous.

I don’t care that much about the WNBA. No one is winning or losing elections, but we can call out some degree of fairness / ridiculousness.

I hope that Caitlin makes that money in endorsements. That’s what I really want to see.

wtaf. There's no fair in business.

 

[NavigatorII]

They should get 50 percent of revenues like the men, not 20.

I hear what you are saying, but their revenues won't sustain that. Sunk costs, fixed costs, you took some accounting didn't you? The NBA has economies of scale, the WNBA is barely on a resuscitator. You've got to at least cover overhead before you start profit sharing..

I hope that Caitlin makes that money in endorsements. That’s what I really want to see.

She seems to bring spark and interest to the game. If she does, she'll pave the way to lucrative endorsements and future contracts and future women involved in the game.

I'm pretty sure Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, Jim Brown, etc didn't make shit during the early days of the NFL either, much for the same reasons.

 

[FresnoGator]

Working backwards…

I agree that the NBA sucks. WNBA was an unwatchable woke fest in 2021, but Caitlin can bring it up.

They should get 50 percent of revenues like the men, not 20.

Caitlin should get more than 77k a year. My daughter out of Rice, who is a relative nobody (I love her of course, lol) will make 100k. That ridiculous.

I don’t care that much about the WNBA. No one is winning or losing elections, but we can call out some degree of fairness / ridiculousness.

I hope that Caitlin makes that money in endorsements. That’s what I really want to see.

Not ridiculous, your daughter went to a great school and if she has a marketable skill and or a pleasing personality for business, she deserves what the market says she deserves.

Caitlin has a skill that does not really even warrant what her inflated rookie contract will pay her, but that's how the cookie crumbles ...

 

[grandhavendiddy]

In theory...I agree. But my question would be this (and I do not know the answer) IF they did this...would the WNBA still be profitable? Because EVERYONE is out of a job if they have to shut down due to losing money.

It’s an interesting question.

For most service businesses (take hospitals), labor costs are 45-50 of revenue.

The value of this business is not cash flow but terminal value (e.g. buy the NY Liberty for 15M and sell it for 30).

Paying your star 75k is ridiculous.

Again, the NBA, which prints money should be paying their men less (what they make is ridiculous) pay women more, do more co-marketing, share back office costs, do co-branding deal with Nike, etc. and figure it out.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

I hear what you are saying, but their revenues won't sustain that. Sunk costs, fixed costs, you took some accounting didn't you? The NBA has economies of scale, the WNBA is barely on a resuscitator. You've got to at least cover overhead before you start profit sharing..

She seems to bring spark and interest to the game. If she does, she'll pave the way to lucrative endorsements and future contracts and future women involved in the game.

I'm pretty sure Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, Jim Brown, etc didn't make shit during the early days of the NFL either, much for the same reasons.

On this (and again, I don’t really care, but it’s a good discussion), sunk costs are always irrelevant and it is the fixed costs that the NBA can share and do away with while
The WNBA gets some scale.

Now, one reason why the WNBA does not get that much sympathy from me is that it was in 2020-2021, a woke fest and precipitated Kelly L from losing her seat and the the senate flipping to Democrats. Cannot stand for the anthem, but Britney Griner must be rescued from Russia while Evan G. languishes in prison.

On Caitlyn, she apparently is making 4M in endorsements, so the WNBA is just (in the immediate term) a platform for getting those post-collegiate NIL deals. Do that for 4-5 years and she is in great shape.

 

[LordofallSocks]

Again, the NBA, which prints money should be paying their men less (what they make is ridiculous) pay women more, do more co-marketing, share back office costs, do co-branding deal with Nike, etc. and figure it out.

Why?

You don't appear to be uneducated on the workings of business, so I really need to know why the WNBA can't succeed or fail on its own merits.

The WNBA is is even less interesting than the NBA. The same women who scream about wealth disparity in the WNBA should be at every game but they aren't.

An items value is exactly equal to the highest price someone is willing to pay for it. Same goes for services. The reason a qb plays for 8 million dollars a year is because no one will pay him 9.

 

[fatman76]

No, make no mistake. The NBA will bend the knee in order to look good, but they are not splitting up their billions to satisfy the social justice agenda. That's why the NBA has been propping up the WNBA for the past 26 years without having one single profitable one. With that track record almost every other business would go belly up and fold up their tent.. but the WNBA has double down with proposed expansion. The college game for women may be becoming more popular, but the WNBA sure as hell isn't and it will continue to lose money handover fist, but at least they're still in business., anything beyond that is pie in the sky fantasy ...

I don’t think the NBA directly subsidizes the WNBA anymore.

That said the NBA grossed $10B last year while the WNBA made $200M.

So the salary disparity checks out…

 

[LordofallSocks]

I don’t think the NBA directly subsidizes the WNBA anymore.

That said the NBA grossed $10B last year while the WNBA made $200M.

So the salary disparity checks out…

The NBA provides the WNBA with an annual endowment of over $15 million. This financial support helps cover various operating costs for WNBA teams, including facilities, travel, marketing, and administration.

As of 2023, the NBA owns 50% of the WNBA, while the 12 WNBA teams collectively own the other 50%. This shared ownership underscores the NBA’s commitment to women’s basketball..

 

[fatman76]

The NBA provides the WNBA with an annual endowment of over $15 million. This financial support helps cover various operating costs for WNBA teams, including facilities, travel, marketing, and administration.

As of 2023, the NBA owns 50% of the WNBA, while the 12 WNBA teams collectively own the other 50%. This shared ownership underscores the NBA’s commitment to women’s basketball..

You're correct. I think I got caught up in the semantics. I think there used to be direct team subsidies and now it's all being held in an endowment fund.

Bottom line is the WNBA is not, at least right now, a sustainable model.


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"HILL: Well, I think it's also important to obviously look at league revenue. The WNBA, for example - they just raised, somewhat recently, $75 million in additional capital. When the WNBA first started, every WNBA team was subsidized by a NBA team. That is no longer the case. The private interest in owning a team in the WNBA is at an all-time high, and that speaks to the growth."

Does the NBA subsidize the WNBA?

Now that the draft for the WNBA is over the tournament takes wings of itself riding on the back of rising start Caitlin Clark.

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What is the NBA financial backing and subsidies for the WNBA?​

The NBA provides the WNBA with an annual endowment of over $15 million. This financial support helps cover various operating costs for WNBA teams, including facilities, travel, marketing, and administration.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

You're correct. I think I got caught up in the semantics. I think there used to be direct team subsidies and now it's all being held in an endowment fund.

Bottom line is the WNBA is not, at least right now, a sustainable model.

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"HILL: Well, I think it's also important to obviously look at league revenue. The WNBA, for example - they just raised, somewhat recently, $75 million in additional capital. When the WNBA first started, every WNBA team was subsidized by a NBA team. That is no longer the case. The private interest in owning a team in the WNBA is at an all-time high, and that speaks to the growth."

Does the NBA subsidize the WNBA?

Now that the draft for the WNBA is over the tournament takes wings of itself riding on the back of rising start Caitlin Clark.

en.as.com

What is the NBA financial backing and subsidies for the WNBA?​

The NBA provides the WNBA with an annual endowment of over $15 million. This financial support helps cover various operating costs for WNBA teams, including facilities, travel, marketing, and administration.

Good research, 76. So the NBA already does what I suggest above which is cover fixed and OH costs.

The key thing is that this, nor the NBA, is a "business", per se. It is a Hobby and happens to be a profit center where these owners make a killing on resale value.

Take the Dallas Mavericks and Mark Cuban. Cuban made $3B back in 2000. This was a hobby that has been wildly profitable for him.

Why the distinction? This is not like California implementing a 20/hour+ minimum wage and putting franchise owners who make, maybe $300-400K / year and pour their blood sweat and tears into that franchise on the cusp of losing half their value.

All that said, Emmanuel Acho, of all people, agree with Captain. If you are outraged, put your damn butt in a seat and go watch a game.

I happen to think that the NBA should take some of the salaries of the men and give it to the women. LeBron does not need any more $$$. Just ask Laura Ingraham, lol.

Finally, the person calling it a false narrative is the one whom I mentioned above Cathy E. She is essentially agreeing with Captain (over me, lol...perhaps a bit sad, again, lol) that this is a "false narrative", Caitlin now has a global brand due to the WNBA and can make $4-5M/year with endorsements, ads, shoe deals, etc.

Now, what is this NOT? Misogyny. Only MSNBC....

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

I will watch my Vols and Lady Vols in the tourney.

I haven't done the NBA since Jordan left the Bulls. WNBA? Womens professional sports, nah.

There are probably some limp wristed Beta males who will tune in to watch Clark and fantasize about her coming over to their house and imposing her will upon them.

Maybe if they came out with topless flag football. I am sure that it would fill the seats and be very profitable.

 

[FresnoGator]

Good research, 76. So the NBA already does what I suggest above which is cover fixed and OH costs.

The key thing is that this, nor the NBA, is a "business", per se. It is a Hobby and happens to be a profit center where these owners make a killing on resale value.

Take the Dallas Mavericks and Mark Cuban. Cuban made $3B back in 2000. This was a hobby that has been wildly profitable for him.

Why the distinction? This is not like California implementing a 20/hour+ minimum wage and putting franchise owners who make, maybe $300-400K / year and pour their blood sweat and tears into that franchise on the cusp of losing half their value.

All that said, Emmanuel Acho, of all people, agree with Captain. If you are outraged, put your damn butt in a seat and go watch a game.

I happen to think that the NBA should take some of the salaries of the men and give it to the women. LeBron does not need any more $$$. Just ask Laura Ingraham, lol.

Finally, the person calling it a false narrative is the one whom I mentioned above Cathy E. She is essentially agreeing with Captain (over me, lol...perhaps a bit sad, again, lol) that this is a "false narrative", Caitlin now has a global brand due to the WNBA and can make $4-5M/year with endorsements, ads, shoe deals, etc.

Now, what is this NOT? Misogyny. Only MSNBC....

I happen to think they should give those salaries to the fast food workers and get them to $50 / hour.

you want to destroy capitalism? Might as well go all the way.

Laura told LBJ to shut up and dribble. It's a fair request that plays to both his skillset and sub 80 IQ ...

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

I happen to think they should give those salaries to the fast food workers and get them to $50 / hour.

you want to destroy capitalism? Might as well go all the way.

Laura told LBJ to shut up and dribble. It's a fair request that plays to both his skillset and sub 80 IQ ...

Skip all of that. Lets move to universal basic income. I will just buy what I want and send the monthly bill to Uncle Sam.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

I happen to think they should give those salaries to the fast food workers and get them to $50 / hour.

you want to destroy capitalism? Might as well go all the way.

Laura told LBJ to shut up and dribble. It's a fair request that plays to both his skillset and sub 80 IQ ...

Yeah she did

 

[NavigatorII]

Saw this tarded article on Yehaw. 99% of the comments are spot on and hilarious. 😂

Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese and Cameron Brink emerged as the stars of March Madness. As they enter the WNBA, why aren’t they paid more?

Caitlin Clark's contract sparked conversation online about low wages for WNBA players.

www.yahoo.com

As James Carville, a famous Democrat once said, "It's their economy, stoopid!"

 

[greyghost14]

I will watch my Vols and Lady Vols in the tourney.

I haven't done the NBA since Jordan left the Bulls. WNBA? Womens professional sports, nah.

There are probably some limp wristed Beta males who will tune in to watch Clark and fantasize about her coming over to their house and imposing her will upon them.

Maybe if they came out with topless flag football. I am sure that it would fill the seats and be very profitable.

Not topless but close …..

 

[fatman76]

I happen to think that the NBA should take some of the salaries of the men and give it to the women. LeBron does not need any more $$$. Just ask Laura Ingraham, lol.

muh triggers...

Should you give a percentage of your salary to the lowest level and/or poorest performing employees in your company?

I mean, you're probably saving for retirement, investing in a stock portfolio, live in a house that's bigger than you need, drive a car that's fairly new...you don't really need all of that do you?

 

[fatman76]

Not topless but close …..

Throwing glass?

Edgy AF.

 

[LordofallSocks]

muh triggers...

Should you give a percentage of your salary to the lowest level and/or poorest performing employees in your company?

I mean, you're probably saving for retirement, investing in a stock portfolio, live in a house that's bigger than you need, drive a car that's fairly new...you don't really need all of that do you?

Of course.

He didn't build that.