Pro scouts opine that Heisman Trophy winner Winston outplayed Heisman Trophy winner Mariota in the Rose Bowl. This is one of the major reasons why Tampa will take Winston with the # 1 pick of the NFL draft.
A QB Comparison; Tim Tebow and Jameis Winston
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I had no choice but to dial down my rhetoric under express threat of banning. Accordingly, what you're witnessing now is my commentary watered down so as not to upset you Gators.
No passive/aggressive approach here. Rather, I am trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.
All are wonderful characteristics to have as a human being and something you must have in common with Tim Tebow. A complete antithesis to everything Jameis is all about.
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Well, this might be relevant if Tebow was the only person on his team and Winston was the only person on his team. Or if the competition was the same.
But neither are true.
Tim did better against better competition. Tim was the better college QB
There really IS no debate.
BTW, if the FSU fans have a cogent argument why Winston was a better college QB than Tebow, they can make that argument here. They don't need to go to a "neutral" board to deliver facts and formulate informed opinions.
Jamies is way better at stealing crab legs and coke from Burger King...and generally being an idiot in public...keeping his University busy covering things up.
The noles can't even admit that NFL GMs might be weary about his poor public persona.
And Semi isn't nearly as smart as he projects....oh...I'm a lawyer...I'm sooooo intelligent,
The fag lives in Buckhead and probably visits the Three Legged Cowboy in Midtown.
Regardless though...Jameis will be a failure like Ponder and Geno but he will never get a broadcasting gig like Tebow, because he barely speaks English. And to most Noles, it's not even fathomable that Jameis could do anything even slightly wrong (and our buddy danoleman doesn't even think he says scrong...when everyone knows he did)
And Semi isn't nearly as smart as he projects....oh...I'm a lawyer...I'm sooooo intelligent,
The fag lives in Buckhead and probably visits the Three Legged Cowboy in Midtown.
Regardless though...Jameis will be a failure like Ponder and Geno but he will never get a broadcasting gig like Tebow, because he barely speaks English. And to most Noles, it's not even fathomable that Jameis could do anything even slightly wrong (and our buddy danoleman doesn't even think he says scrong...when everyone knows he did)
As a current Brookhaven (adjacent to Buckhead) and former long-time Midtown resident, let me just say a few things.
Cmon, man...How dare you?I lived in Midtown for 7 years and never heard of this bar. The name seems too obvious for reality. Did you have a good time when you visited?
ESPN's QBR has Mariota #1 at 91.7 and Winston #19 at 74.5. Winston was, however #1 in 2013 with an 89.4 rating. Seems his issues this year are probably more mental and maturity related than raw talent.Originally posted by djegators:
Statistical analysis does not bode as well for jamie as it does for MM either:
According to Pro Football Focus, it isn't even close.
So in conclusion, Tebow was clearly the better college QB and had a better career than Winston, while Winston has more "potential" as a professional QB...case closed.
In 2013, FSU played a much weaker schedule and Winston was surrounded by a dozen draft picks. In 2014, they played more legitimate defenses, played from behind for much of the games and Winston clearly had less talent around him across the board. There were probably more "mental" issues this year, but I suspect lesser talent around him and a more difficult schedule may be bigger factors for the difference in his numbers between the two years.Originally posted by BringBackBonner:
ESPN's QBR has Mariota #1 at 91.7 and Winston #19 at 74.5. Winston was, however #1 in 2013 with an 89.4 rating. Seems his issues this year are probably more mental and maturity related than raw talent.Originally posted by djegators:
Statistical analysis does not bode as well for jamie as it does for MM either:
According to Pro Football Focus, it isn't even close.
Originally posted by Buddy Green:
In 2013, FSU played a much weaker schedule and Winston was surrounded by a dozen draft picks. In 2014, they played more legitimate defenses, played from behind for much of the games and Winston clearly had less talent around him across the board. There were probably more "mental" issues this year, but I suspect lesser talent around him and a more difficult schedule may be bigger factors for the difference in his numbers between the two years.Originally posted by BringBackBonner:
ESPN's QBR has Mariota #1 at 91.7 and Winston #19 at 74.5. Winston was, however #1 in 2013 with an 89.4 rating. Seems his issues this year are probably more mental and maturity related than raw talent.Originally posted by djegators:
Statistical analysis does not bode as well for jamie as it does for MM either:
According to Pro Football Focus, it isn't even close.
Or teams learned how to scheme against Winston i e Saban/Tebow 2009... kind of like the sophomore slump for NFL qb's. Sometimes coaches learn what opposing qb's are bad at and adjust.
The ultimate final exam will be the pro draft.
Tampa votes with its pocketbook, somewhere between 20M - 30M for the overall # 1 pick. Tampa considers college career, character, and pro potential. Watch the Bucs digest all of this and invest in Jameis.
Tampa votes with its pocketbook, somewhere between 20M - 30M for the overall # 1 pick. Tampa considers college career, character, and pro potential. Watch the Bucs digest all of this and invest in Jameis.
The idea that one player clearly had a better career than another based on yardage and touchdown totals. I'm guessing MJ and Paco also believe that Drew Brees has clearly had a better career than Tom Brady.Originally posted by passoverGator:
What's so funnyOriginally posted by SKSnole:
The final exam for college is over. Tim got an A+. Jameis got an A.
I suspect Jameis will have a better pro-career than Tim. His pro-career in football will also probably be better than Steve Spurrier, Danny Wuerffel, Charlie Ward and Chris Weinke.
Case closed, there is no debate regarding their college careers, doesn't have anything to do with whether Winston will be successful in the NFL or not.Originally posted by SKSnole:
The idea that one player clearly had a better career than another based on yardage and touchdown totals. I'm guessing MJ and Paco also believe that Drew Brees has clearly had a better career than Tom Brady.Originally posted by passoverGator:
What's so funnyOriginally posted by SKSnole:
If not, you tell us how Jameis CFB career was better than Tim's?
Bit Tebow and Winston played in and won one National Title.
So I am not quite sure what your point might be.
Jameis lost one game as a starter; Timmy lost six.
Jameis won one Heisman and one national championship in only two years as a starter; Timmy won only one Heisman and one national championship in three years as a starter.
Jameis never lost a regular season game or a national championship game.
Timmy was not a superior college QB to Jameis. I opine that Timmy, along with many other college QBs, is a rung below Jameis.
You Gators recognize that the cool geometric logic of my opinions and the purity of my assertions ring true.
Jameis won one Heisman and one national championship in only two years as a starter; Timmy won only one Heisman and one national championship in three years as a starter.
Jameis never lost a regular season game or a national championship game.
Timmy was not a superior college QB to Jameis. I opine that Timmy, along with many other college QBs, is a rung below Jameis.
You Gators recognize that the cool geometric logic of my opinions and the purity of my assertions ring true.
Tim played against substantially better competition, over four years. Shame on you for comparing the two years of Jameis to the four years of Tim.
Tim won both in two years as a starter. Same as with Jameis
You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
This post was edited on 1/9 3:55 PM by MJWilliamson
Noles on this thread need to go over to the main board and read a similar thread, for those posters who are non-noles or non-Gators it's about 95% Tebow.
Let me help;
https://collegefootball.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2150&tid=208786926&mid=208786926&sid=1144&style=2
I've read the Main Board thread, and, like I've been saying, Winston > Driskel.
My judgment is colored not by hatred for Tebow, but by appreciation for Winston's genius when the stadium lights go on.
My judgment is colored not by hatred for Tebow, but by appreciation for Winston's genius when the stadium lights go on.
Looks like Danny PUI'd again last night, that drink bastard.
probably doesn't even remember doing it.
