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Tale of the Tape

vic.valiant

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From what I can see in the NCAA statistics Michigan and Florida are very similar teams. Above average offense 44th and 47th respectively. We both appear to be run focused 25th & 26th in rushing with not good passing games coming in at 81st and 76th which belies the fact that we both have decent pass efficiency coming in at 18th and 36th. This tells me we prefer to run but can pass and do it fairly well when we make the attempt. We both rank in the top third-ish in scoring 19th and 32nd. We boast very good to good total defense 1st to 27th but suck at Red Zone defense 122nd and 111th…go figure. We both take a lot of penalties among the worst in the nation at 96th and 107th.

The one advantage I do see for Michigan is the run game. Running is our strength (26th) run defense is your weakness (74th). That is where I would focus for my game plane but Harbaugh will do it regardless if you had the #1 rush defense or not. He’s just kind of stubborn that way.

Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.

Go Blue!
 
How deep do your runners go?

UF runs by committee, so no 1,000+ runners.
Top 2 RB's 248 for 1,467 yds, 5.9 ypc, 10 TD's, L-74
The tFr RB is a little better at 6.5 ypc....
The wildcat / jet-sweep is at 10.7 ypc.

RB Perine Jr - 126 for 750 yds, 5.9 ypc, 6 TD's, L-74

RB Scarlett rsJr - 122 for 717 yds, 5.9 ypc, 4 TD's, L-48

RB Pierce Fr - 65 for 425 yds, 6.5 ypc, 2 TD's, L-68

WR/RB Toney - 19 for 204 yds, 10.7 ypc, 0 TD's, L-34

RB Malik was injured out for the season in the 3rd game.
RB Clement Fr 4.3 ypc, tFr used very little and will red shirt.

QB Franks - 96 for 410 yds, 4.3 ypc, 6 TD's, L-21
Due to sacks, his net is 276 yds, 2.9 ypc.

QB Jones Fr - 14 for 56 yds,, 4.0 ypc, 0 TD's, L-15
Due to sacks, his net is 29 yds, 1.9 ypc.

Season Team Rushing:
486 for 2,762 yds, 2,534 net, 5.2 ypc, 20 TD's.

Franks has shown improvement passing towards the end of the season;
Season - 175 of 299, 58.5% for 2,284 yds, 23 TD's, 6 Ints

PS

UF played 5 teams ranked in the final CFP Top 25.
Mich played 4 teams ranked in the final CFP Top 25.
 
Higdon is the primary running back who rushed for 100+ in 8 games this year. I’ve also added Ben Mason our full back goal line specialist. Though he has only rushed for 80 yards he scored 7 TDs and had 0 yards for loss. The guy is a hammer.

Pos Name yards car ypc td
RB Karan Higdon (Sr) 1178 224 5.26 10
RB Chris Evans (Jr) 403 74 5.45 4
RB Tru Wilson (Jr) 355 59 6.02 1
FB Ben Mason (So) 80 31 2.58 7

QB Shea Patterson 392 66 5.94 2

Shea less sacks 268 66 4.06

For the year Michigan as a team rushed for 2798 yards, lost 226 (including sacks) and netted 2572 for a 4.96 YPC. Michigan was very effective in keeping negative yards to a minimum with a total of 226 yards for loss which includes Patterson's -124. Higdon is a pounder lacking break away speed but good at picking spots and has had runs of 18 or more yards in 9 of the 12 games he played. Evans is the fastest and most athletic.

Go Blue!

 
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I think as most down here expected, whichever team has the best day on Dec 29th gets the win. They look fairly evenly matched to me, maybe giving Mich a slight edge due to the QB's.
GGGoooooooooGATORS!
 
I think as most down here expected, whichever team has the best day on Dec 29th gets the win. They look fairly evenly matched to me, maybe giving Mich a slight edge due to the QB's.
GGGoooooooooGATORS!
Agreed. However, I think this game has upset written all over it.

The Michigan players spent 8 weeks thinking they were somebody until OSU humiliated them on national TV. (2nd most points ever scored on the Wolverines).

I do not believe that Michigan is as bad as that beat down suggests but am concerned about the teams psyche at this point.

I do not think it is an understatement that both fan bases are disappointed with this Peach Bowl match up. It would not surprise me to find that the players feel the same.

If Harbaugh can get these guys back up I like Michigan's chances. If not it simply goes to the most motivated team which at this point I believe is Florida.

Go Blue!
 
Agreed. However, I think this game has upset written all over it.

The Michigan players spent 8 weeks thinking they were somebody until OSU humiliated them on national TV. (2nd most points ever scored on the Wolverines).

I do not believe that Michigan is as bad as that beat down suggests but am concerned about the teams psyche at this point.

I do not think it is an understatement that both fan bases are disappointed with this Peach Bowl match up. It would not surprise me to find that the players feel the same.

If Harbaugh can get these guys back up I like Michigan's chances. If not it simply goes to the most motivated team which at this point I believe is Florida.

Go Blue!

If the game was this coming Saturday, I might agree with you about a possible letdown. But given it's a month until the game, I doubt it. o_O

I think that you've got the better QB.
I think that we've got the better offense and game day play caller coach.
We'll see how it all works out soon enough. :cool:
 
With bowl games without national championship implications, it all comes down to which team is more motivated and wants to spend the time and effort to get mentally & physically prepared. That applies to the coaches as well. An added factor is how many, if any, players sit out in preparation for the NFL combine. I'm terrible at making bowl picks, but I do think Dan Mullen and staff will have the Gators ready to play. Who knows whether or not that will be enough to win the game?
 
Agreed. However, I think this game has upset written all over it.

The Michigan players spent 8 weeks thinking they were somebody until OSU humiliated them on national TV. (2nd most points ever scored on the Wolverines).

I do not believe that Michigan is as bad as that beat down suggests but am concerned about the teams psyche at this point.

I do not think it is an understatement that both fan bases are disappointed with this Peach Bowl match up. It would not surprise me to find that the players feel the same.

If Harbaugh can get these guys back up I like Michigan's chances. If not it simply goes to the most motivated team which at this point I believe is Florida.

Go Blue!

Your fan base might be disappointed in the game, ours is not.

It has to do with expectations. Your team named this season the "revenge tour", and not only didn't get revenge, but got bumped all the way from the CFP to the Peach. Not unreasonable for your fans to feel disappointed. Our team didn't have a bowl last year, and never had expectations higher than where we are now. Frankly, we are all very pleasantly surprised to be top 10. Not to mention you might be tired of playing a team you have beaten 2 times in 3 years, but as our team has lost to you 2 times in the past 3 years, we are looking forward to it.
 
Saw an ESPN Bowl Prediction for Mich 31 - 21 UF.
That was one of the few they had going bad for an SEC team.
Here's to hoping that they are FoS on this one... ;)

For the Gator's, it mostly going to ride on the 'Where's the Beef' question, both OL and DL. After that, it's the battle of the QB's to execute their offense.
 
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Your fan base might be disappointed in the game, ours is not.

It has to do with expectations. Your team named this season the "revenge tour", and not only didn't get revenge, but got bumped all the way from the CFP to the Peach. Not unreasonable for your fans to feel disappointed. Our team didn't have a bowl last year, and never had expectations higher than where we are now. Frankly, we are all very pleasantly surprised to be top 10. Not to mention you might be tired of playing a team you have beaten 2 times in 3 years, but as our team has lost to you 2 times in the past 3 years, we are looking forward to it.
Never cared for the "revenge tour" thing as it put a target on our chest imo though it was satisfying to bone Sparty like a chicken and dispatch the Fighting Pedos of Happy Valley who boast the biggest crybaby fanbase in CFB.

I think you hit the nail on the head in terms of motivation which is where I'm most concerned right now.

I would have rather played LSU whom we have never played or Texas whom we have played once. Both sexier matchups from this Michigan fan's point of view.

Go Blue!
 
The fact that you caught an injured beyond the capability of being competent Florida team in 07 and a historically inept team the last couple of years has been fortuitous for Michigan.

Even this years matchup won’t be a true picture of what Florida has been for most of the last 4 decades. But I guess you guys can’t be faulted for catching us at our worst. But the smug superiority from some Michigan fans wears a little thin. It’s intellectually dishonest. Anybody with half a brain knows what’s up.
 
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The fact that you caught an injured beyond the capability of being competent Florida team in 07 and a historically inept team the last couple of years has been fortuitous for Michigan.

Even this years matchup won’t be a true picture of what Florida has been for most of the last 4 decades. But I guess you guys can’t be faulted for catching us at our worst. But the smug superiority from some Michigan fans wears a little thin. It’s intellectually dishonest. Anybody with half a brain knows what’s up.
The fact that your first post on this thread is fraught with excuses and anecdotal accusations about Michigan fans is telling. All posters on this thread have been a picture of honesty and courtesy...present company excepted of course. In my experience most fans just love their team and want to see them do well. Sure there will be the occasional rude and immature individual but they are no more reflective of the whole as you are of the other Florida fans on this thread.

9-3 is far from Florida's worst. Anybody with half a brain can see it is significantly better (.750 win pct) than Florida's average team which wins .623 of the time. It is also better than Florida's average team of the past 4 decades (your cherry picked time frame) which have won .700 of their games. Michigan is not getting Florida at its worst. Michigan is getting Florida at its better.

Go Blue!
 
The fact that your first post on this thread is fraught with excuses and anecdotal accusations about Michigan fans is telling. All posters on this thread have been a picture of honesty and courtesy...present company excepted of course. In my experience most fans just love their team and want to see them do well. Sure there will be the occasional rude and immature individual but they are no more reflective of the whole as you are of the other Florida fans on this thread.

9-3 is far from Florida's worst. Anybody with half a brain can see it is significantly better (.750 win pct) than Florida's average team which wins .623 of the time. It is also better than Florida's average team of the past 4 decades (your cherry picked time frame) which have won .700 of their games. Michigan is not getting Florida at its worst. Michigan is getting Florida at its better.

Go Blue!
That’s great and all but taking historical numbers from years and years ago doesn’t really apply to today.

It has been a long long time since Michigan won a National title. Over 20 years ago to be exact. So not sure that is very impressive for a program that is supposed to be a top notch program.
 
That’s great and all but taking historical numbers from years and years ago doesn’t really apply to today.

It has been a long long time since Michigan won a National title. Over 20 years ago to be exact. So not sure that is very impressive for a program that is supposed to be a top notch program.
I was responding directly to Keyzer Soze's assertion that Michigan was playing one of the worst teams that Florida has ever produced and gets lucky whenever they play Florida because of Keyzer's excuses.

I am not talking about Michigan's national championships or their status among elite teams, you are.

Go Blue!
 
Ok asshat. Like I said smugly surperior.

Your wins against Florida, with the exception of 2007, were against some of the worst Florida teams EVER. Good for you! Well done.

Now my point is this, Michigan fans don’t want to play Florida in this bowl,and many of them act as if we are beneath them. When in reality they all know that they’ve caught our worst teams in a generation.

Vic comes over here talking about how this years 9-3 team is above average for Florida. The 9-3 that finished 3rd in the sec east. Yeah, ok buddy. Go on believing that.
 
Our players have no excuse for this game after the a** kicking they took last season.

Is anyone on the Gators taking the game off like Gary is from Michigan? Are any other Michigan players pulling that mess?
 
The meatchickens have won and 'owned' the Gators.

However, the schuckeyes have 'OWNED' the bigh blue weasels.

And UF has 'OWNED' the schmuckeyes for NC's in both football and B-Ball.

I can easily live with the luck of the draw on those games... :p
 
Our players have no excuse for this game after the a** kicking they took last season.

Is anyone on the Gators taking the game off like Gary is from Michigan? Are any other Michigan players pulling that mess?
Rashan Gary is the only one that I know of. I fear this may be a trend in CFB as we move forward as has been addressed in a thread on this board.

I figured it was a matter of time when I saw Michigan TE Jake Butt injured in a bowl game of little importance to the national title discussion. Probably lost 10 million dollars that day.

Go Blue!
 
Ok asshat. Like I said smugly surperior.

Now my point is this, Michigan fans don’t want to play Florida in this bowl,and many of them act as if we are beneath them. When in reality they all know that they’ve caught our worst teams in a generation.

Vic comes over here talking about how this years 9-3 team is above average for Florida. The 9-3 that finished 3rd in the sec east. Yeah, ok buddy. Go on believing that.
Apparently you consider good manners smugness I was merely being polite. You should try it.

As to your point this Michigan fan would rather play LSU or Texas for reasons already stated. I know of no statistical data that indicates that Michigan fans think Florida's team or fans are beneath them. Quite the contrary I and those I know have great respect for Florida's football prowess. Could you please provide us your data so that we may critique it?

Perhaps you are just projecting your own personal sense of inferiority? Think about it.

.750 > .700 and .750 > .623 I stand by it you will not address it.

Go Blue!
 
2017 - 4-7 UF 17 - 33 Mich 8-5

2015 - UF last 3 games of the season:
UF 2 - 27 FSU
UF 15 - 29 UA
UF 7 - 41 Mich

2007 - UF 35 - 41 Mich
That was QB Henne's best stats game of his entire career, credit where it's due.
 
2017 - 4-7 UF 17 - 33 Mich 8-5

2015 - UF last 3 games of the season:
UF 2 - 27 FSU
UF 15 - 29 UA
UF 7 - 41 Mich

2007 - UF 35 - 41 Mich
That was QB Henne's best stats game of his entire career, credit where it's due.
I am not sure I am tracking your point.

Go Blue!
 
Work on it a bit, it follows the team quality line...
I'm not sure you make a useful point if you are trying to support Keyzer's argument that these were among the worst teams that Florida produced in its history or in the past 4 decades.

2017 Season kickoff game. Florida fielded a well below average team at 4-7. You will get no argument from me that this was a poor Florida team. Nevertheless this is a single season and not representative of Michigan and Florida's shared history.

2015 Cap 1 Bowl. Florida fielded a well above average team. 10-2 regular season SEC east champion. You included the SEC championship loss in my opinion to indicate a season ending slide. I reject that. Losing to playoff bound Alabama does not mean that Florida was a bad team. They simply were not a great team. Michigan entered that game ranked 17th with Florida 18th which is an irrelevant difference in ranking imo. Michigan entered that game 9-3.

The 2007 Cap 1 Bowl. Florida field an above average team. 9-3 regular season ending rank 9th. Florida was ranked in the top 10 for 8 of the 12 regular season weeks. Michigan entered the game 8-4 unranked.

In both of the bowl game years Florida finished the regular season 4-1 in their final 5 games. Michigan finished 4-1 and 3-2. In both bowl games Florida entered with a superior ranking. In both bowl games Florida entered with the superior record. Both bowl games were played in the state of Florida giving the Gators a decided home field advantage.

Yet Keyzer and his supporters would say "No No it is the 2017 kickoff game that is representative and Michigan got lucky!". I respectfully disagree. I do not think Michigan "got lucky" catching Florida when they did I would argue and the facts support the idea that Michigan was decidedly unlucky.

Go Blue!
 
Since 1980, UF has had a total of 2 losing seasons. :oops:

2017 (4-7) was one of them. and 2013 (4-8) was the other.
That's UF's last 2 HC's that both got fired for incompetence.:confused:

See if you can absorb this:

Where was UF 'trending' when Mich won in 2015? o_O
UF's last 6 games of the season:

W UF 9 - 7 VU 4-8 (-2)

W UF 24 - 14 SCa 3-9 (-10)

W UF 20 - 14 FAU 3-9 (-6)

L UF 2 - 27 FSU (+25)

L UF 15 - 29 UA (+14)

L UF 7 - 41 Mich (+34)

2015 Season Scoring UF 325 - 256 Opp
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For a comparison between very good and pretty chitty, there's this:
2015 UF 325 - 256 Opp
2008 UF 611 - 181 Opp
2006 UF 416 - 189 Opp

Work on it... :cool:
 
Since 1980, UF has had a total of 2 losing seasons. :oops:

2017 (4-7) was one of them. and 2013 (4-8) was the other.
That's UF's last 2 HC's that both got fired for incompetence.:confused:

See if you can absorb this:

Where was UF 'trending' when Mich won in 2015? o_O
UF's last 6 games of the season:

W UF 9 - 7 VU 4-8 (-2)

W UF 24 - 14 SCa 3-9 (-10)

W UF 20 - 14 FAU 3-9 (-6)

L UF 2 - 27 FSU (+25)

L UF 15 - 29 UA (+14)

L UF 7 - 41 Mich (+34)

2015 Season Scoring UF 325 - 256 Opp
=====

For a comparison between very good and pretty chitty, there's this:
2015 UF 325 - 256 Opp
2008 UF 611 - 181 Opp
2006 UF 416 - 189 Opp

Work on it... :cool:
I guess it really comes down to how you want to slice the data. Florida was trending w,w,w,w,l,w,w,w in the SEC. Then lost to instate rival FSU then Alabama in the SECCG. You want to point to those two games and say "see we sucked we were headed down hill so Michigan was lucky to beat us because our problems were before Michigan took the field". A win is a win and a loss is a loss 10-2 is 10-2 so argue style points with the next guy.

You want to argue that Florida was substandard based on style rather than record. That's fine I guess but I disagree that it is a valid argument. In two of the three games played Michigan was historically substandard based on record.

It isn't like Michigan rolled into town with the greatest teams they had ever fielded and beat the Gators. Michigan rolled into town with historically mediocre teams and beat the Gators. That is the side of the equation none of you want to talk about.

Go Blue!
 
Sorry Vic. The tired I am just being nice by being oh so formal fails.

Our guy was right.

You are an easy mark. Too many tells. Sorry Ohio State has turned you guys into cucks. It is impressive how you guys get so charged to play a Florida, and that boyish enthusiasm has served you well, and may work again. But we’ll take our trajectory. And no one pays us on the head.

Like they say in the movies, we recognize an ass. And you are one.
 
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Sorry Vic. The tired I am just being nice by being oh so formal fails.

Our guy was right.

You are an easy mark. Too many tells. Sorry Ohio State has turned you guys into cucks. It is impressive how you guys get so charged to play a Florida, and that boyish enthusiasm has served you well, and may work again. But we’ll take our trajectory. And no one pays us on the head.

Like they say in the movies, we recognize an ass. And you are one.
Some deep thinking there kb.

Go Blue!
 
I'm not sure you make a useful point if you are trying to support Keyzer's argument that these were among the worst teams that Florida produced in its history or in the past 4 decades.

2017 Season kickoff game. Florida fielded a well below average team at 4-7. You will get no argument from me that this was a poor Florida team. Nevertheless this is a single season and not representative of Michigan and Florida's shared history.

2015 Cap 1 Bowl. Florida fielded a well above average team. 10-2 regular season SEC east champion. You included the SEC championship loss in my opinion to indicate a season ending slide. I reject that. Losing to playoff bound Alabama does not mean that Florida was a bad team. They simply were not a great team. Michigan entered that game ranked 17th with Florida 18th which is an irrelevant difference in ranking imo. Michigan entered that game 9-3.

The 2007 Cap 1 Bowl. Florida field an above average team. 9-3 regular season ending rank 9th. Florida was ranked in the top 10 for 8 of the 12 regular season weeks. Michigan entered the game 8-4 unranked.

In both of the bowl game years Florida finished the regular season 4-1 in their final 5 games. Michigan finished 4-1 and 3-2. In both bowl games Florida entered with a superior ranking. In both bowl games Florida entered with the superior record. Both bowl games were played in the state of Florida giving the Gators a decided home field advantage.

Yet Keyzer and his supporters would say "No No it is the 2017 kickoff game that is representative and Michigan got lucky!". I respectfully disagree. I do not think Michigan "got lucky" catching Florida when they did I would argue and the facts support the idea that Michigan was decidedly unlucky.

Go Blue!
2015 record has asterisk as we were night and day different during the 2 halves of the season. With Will Grier during 1st half of season we were 6-0, without Grier, we finished season 4-4 and sucked big time. 2017 was year 3 of McElwanker so we really sucked big time by then with 2 seasons of his shitty bbq sauce marinating all over the program and turning it into soft mush.
 
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Sorry Vic. The tired I am just being nice by being oh so formal fails.

Our guy was right.

You are an easy mark. Too many tells. Sorry Ohio State has turned you guys into cucks. It is impressive how you guys get so charged to play a Florida, and that boyish enthusiasm has served you well, and may work again. But we’ll take our trajectory. And no one pays us on the head.

Like they say in the movies, we recognize an ass. And you are one.

You guys can fight with the Michigan guy if you want, but to me it's just wasted energy. Win or lose, he'll be gone a couple days after the bowl game. And frankly, dealing with the idiots from FSU, Georgia, Tennessee and our special Oklahoma douche, I just don't have the energy to fight with this one too.

I hope we win. I think we win. But I just don't feel like we need to try to make everybody a rival.
 
I'm not sure you make a useful point if you are trying to support Keyzer's argument that these were among the worst teams that Florida produced in its history or in the past 4 decades.

2017 Season kickoff game. Florida fielded a well below average team at 4-7. You will get no argument from me that this was a poor Florida team. Nevertheless this is a single season and not representative of Michigan and Florida's shared history.

2015 Cap 1 Bowl. Florida fielded a well above average team. 10-2 regular season SEC east champion. You included the SEC championship loss in my opinion to indicate a season ending slide. I reject that. Losing to playoff bound Alabama does not mean that Florida was a bad team. They simply were not a great team. Michigan entered that game ranked 17th with Florida 18th which is an irrelevant difference in ranking imo. Michigan entered that game 9-3.

The 2007 Cap 1 Bowl. Florida field an above average team. 9-3 regular season ending rank 9th. Florida was ranked in the top 10 for 8 of the 12 regular season weeks. Michigan entered the game 8-4 unranked.

In both of the bowl game years Florida finished the regular season 4-1 in their final 5 games. Michigan finished 4-1 and 3-2. In both bowl games Florida entered with a superior ranking. In both bowl games Florida entered with the superior record. Both bowl games were played in the state of Florida giving the Gators a decided home field advantage.

Yet Keyzer and his supporters would say "No No it is the 2017 kickoff game that is representative and Michigan got lucky!". I respectfully disagree. I do not think Michigan "got lucky" catching Florida when they did I would argue and the facts support the idea that Michigan was decidedly unlucky.

Go Blue!

I think we just have a bad streak against Michigan for whatever reason. I thought our 07 team would win the game besides the young defense but I forgot how good Michigan was supposed to be going into that bowl game.
 
I think we just have a bad streak against Michigan for whatever reason. I thought our 07 team would win the game besides the young defense but I forgot how good Michigan was supposed to be going into that bowl game.

In 07 we had to move offensive linemen to defense to have enough bodies to field a team. It was bad.
 
Apparently you consider good manners smugness I was merely being polite. You should try it.


Roll a turd in sugar and it’s still a turd. You can be as polite as you want. But what I said rings true.

And like I said anybody with any sense knows you’ve caught Florida the last 2 times when they were in the middle of the worst 3 years since 1979.
 
I think we just have a bad streak against Michigan for whatever reason. I thought our 07 team would win the game besides the young defense but I forgot how good Michigan was supposed to be going into that bowl game.

Tebow has a cast on his hand and Lloyd Carr was retiring, had Rich Rod helping the scheme for us before he took over the job there AND that was the same year they lost to Appalachian State.
 
Who shows up in Hotlanta is the question:

Mich's #1 defense that gave up 62 Pts to tOSU?
Can UF's OL-TE-RB's get their blocking jobs done?

Which Franks shows up?
2017 - 1,438 yds, 9 TD's, 8 Ints
OR
2018 - 2,284 yds, 23 TD's, 6 Ints + 6 rushing TD's.

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There is some hope in this game this time around.
@ ND 24 - 17 Mich (-7)
@ ND 22 - 17 Vandy (-5)
UF 37 - 27 @ Vandy (-10)

Mich Opponents: (current CFP rankings)

L @ #3 ND 24 - 17
W W.Mich 7-5
W SMU 5-7
W Neb 4-8
W @ #22 NW 17 - 20 (their only ranked road win, by +3)
W Mary 5-7
W Wis 7-5
W @ MichSt 7-5
W #12 PSU
W @ Rut 1-11
W Ind 5-7
L @#6 tOSU 62 - 39

They played 4 teams with 8+ wins and went 2-2 against them.
 
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So, how good is Dan and his staff at their jobs?

Recruiting Class Rankings and number of recruits:

2015 #23 - 21
2016 #14 - 25
2017 #9 - 23
2018 #17 - 18
Average Class Ranking 15.8
Average number in class = 22

With that for a roster, coming off a 4-7 season, in Dan's 1st year....
They finished 9-3, #10 CFP ranking, with a New Years 6 Bowl.

I'd say that was an OUTSTANDING job by Dan and his staff!
Here's to hoping that carries over to the bowl game... :)
 
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