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President Trump to be reinstated?

I can only speak for myself and I don't call people racist/bigoted unless I see something. We have had this talk before and I actually align with the right on race. I've said repeatedly how I get frustrated with how the black leaders on left, just ask @Orangeclad. I have also praised Candace Owens.

The reality is that because I'm black and I'm not a republican, you guys assume that I align with left and you guys try to use this black to express your point on race. You guys hate that people call Trump a racist so much.

But to say that align or support the left on race issues is false.
Bullshit. It’s that you guys (Democrats) call everyone racist, as I pointed out this goes back way further than Trump. And the fact that you will call someone like Trump a racist and use lies to do so while voting for someone who has said more racist things than Trump is what people are fed up with. You want to keep making this about Trump but it’s not. It’s what your party stands for, and the hypocrisy Democrats blatantly express in the open is causing the division in this country. And you know it, it’s your game. Race relations is a game to you and that’s why it’s obvious to everyone here where your political allegiance is. You keep claiming you’re not a Democrat but you defend them at every turn, again, enough to continue running with a narrative built on a lie. You’re not fooling anyone.
 
Keeping it politicial for you, You look at micro of the cities. Go look at the Macro of the states. If you say the Governors can't control the Mayor's, then how can you blame the President for what the mayor's do.

Now IMO, There will always be high crimes in cities because cities have higher opportunities.

Pretty simple really. From a federal level, biden, kamala and their cronies have encourage policies of shutdown, masking etc which have lead to more mental distress during pandemic, followed by anti police rhetoric emboldening criminal behavior. Dems have followed suit at local city levels. Nationally violent crime is through the roof as well in the major cities. Dims control both. At the State level, I would be willing to bet that overall pub run states have less overall. But, you’re a lib, my guess is you have a difficult time understanding this.
 
Bullshit. It’s that you guys (Democrats) call everyone racist, as I pointed out this goes back way further than Trump. And the fact that you will call someone like Trump a racist and use lies to do so while voting for someone who has said more racist things than Trump is what people are fed up with. You want to keep making this about Trump but it’s not. It’s what your party stands for, and the hypocrisy Democrats blatantly express in the open is causing the division in this country. And you know it, it’s your game. Race relations is a game to you and that’s why it’s obvious to everyone here where your political allegiance is. You keep claiming you’re not a Democrat but you defend them at every turn, again, enough to continue running with a narrative built on a lie. You’re not fooling anyone.
I don't align with the democrats on race. You just need someone to argue with. I have been clear about that. If you want to argue with this fake person you think I am then whatever.
 
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Pretty simple really. From a federal level, biden, kamala and their cronies have encourage policies of shutdown, masking etc which have lead to more mental distress during pandemic, followed by anti police rhetoric emboldening criminal behavior. Dems have followed suit at local city levels. Nationally violent crime is through the roof as well in the major cities. Dims control both. At the State level, I would be willing to bet that overall pub run states have less overall. But, you’re a lib, my guess is you have a difficult time understanding this.
This is when you can be difficult to talk to. You get in this ignoring facts stage just to argue. You can be like a female. The truth doesn't matter to you. You just do this for irritation.

Trump was president in March 2020. He was president doing the shutdown and the introduction of mask wearing. So if that stuff bothers you then why are you blaming Biden? I never thought a civil is more powerful then the President.

Crime was going up under Trump, something someone else pointed out previously. I'm just following the data. The data says that 7 of the top 10 states in crimes have Republican governors.

 
This is when you can be difficult to talk to. You get in this ignoring facts stage just to argue. You can be like a female. The truth doesn't matter to you. You just do this for irritation.

Trump was president in March 2020. He was president doing the shutdown and the introduction of mask wearing. So if that stuff bothers you then why are you blaming Biden? I never thought a civil is more powerful then the President.

Crime was going up under Trump, something someone else pointed out previously. I'm just following the data. The data says that 7 of the top 10 states in crimes have Republican governors.


Good grief you’re a doofus. You choose rate. Tell me something pharmacy guy. A batter hitting 400 in 10 at bats. Is he likely to increase that average with more at bats or decrease it. There is a reason Alaska is number 1. I will post the cities in a bit

FWIW. It has increased more under captain sobel
 
Good grief you’re a doofus. You choose rate. Tell me something pharmacy guy. A batter hitting 400 in 10 at bats. Is he likely to increase that average with more at bats or decrease it. I will post the cities in a bit

FWIW. It has increased more under captain sobel
Rate does matter. Isn't you the one who always use rates when talking about covid? Now rates is for a doofus? Man you're corny.
 
Rate does matter. Isn't you the one who always use rates when talking about covid? Now rates is for a doofus? Man you're corny.

*Aren’t

You really might be the most obtuse human being I have come across.

It’s not about being corny, it’s about understanding how statistics work. Obviously you don’t
 
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go ahead and tell us which cities are run by dem mayors. I will wait. Just know...I have done this exercise before. I think it was like 23 of 25 cities with the highest crime rates are all run by dimmies
You'll be waiting a long time to get the truth from someone who doesn't want to tell it.

Being a dem requires certain character compromises that good people aren't willing to make.
 
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You guys hate that people call Trump a racist so much.
We actually don't give a damn. It's right up there with @BSC911 saying he's richer than we are.

Son, one day you will grow up and learn a key life-lesson: When a liar makes a claim, you ignore it, because he's a liar.

The people that call Trump a racist are liars. Why would we care what they think?
 
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Good grief you’re a doofus. You choose rate. Tell me something pharmacy guy. A batter hitting 400 in 10 at bats. Is he likely to increase that average with more at bats or decrease it. There is a reason Alaska is number 1. I will post the cities in a bit

FWIW. It has increased more under captain sobel
He's trying to move the goalposts to crime at the state-level, because when you look at crime at the city level, it proves his dem-run cities are the worst.

And he's not smart enough to understand that moving to the state level really doesn't help his argument, it crushes it.

What areas are the worst about crime? Cities, because they have more population.

Take a red state that has 2-3 major dem-run cities...and guess what happens to crime stats for the whole state?

They go waaaaay up. And they get pushed there by those dem-run cities.

Bedpan Bobby thinks he can obfuscate his way to spinning that red states having a lot of crime is the fault of the republicans.

Maybe he should be worried more about actually cleaning up those cities where crime runs rampant, regardless of the political affiliation of the mayor.

But you see....that would be putting people over party. Dems have a problem with that.
 
He's trying to move the goalposts to crime at the state-level, because when you look at crime at the city level, it proves his dem-run cities are the worst.

And he's not smart enough to understand that moving to the state level really doesn't help his argument, it crushes it.

What areas are the worst about crime? Cities, because they have more population.

Take a red state that has 2-3 major dem-run cities...and guess what happens to crime stats for the whole state?

They go waaaaay up. And they get pushed there by those dem-run cities.

Bedpan Bobby thinks he can obfuscate his way to spinning that red states having a lot of crime is the fault of the republicans.

Maybe he should be worried more about actually cleaning up those cities where crime runs rampant, regardless of the political affiliation of the mayor.

But you see....that would be putting people over party. Dems have a problem with that.
In Tennessee, we see exactly what you are referring to. Memphis/Shelby County alone (dem run/operated county) accounts for almost 60% of the crime statewide. All you have to do is follow the handouts, if you have a lot of welfare recipients you have a high % of crime.
 
I don't align with the democrats on race. You just need someone to argue with. I have been clear about that. If you want to argue with this fake person you think I am then whatever.
You don’t align with Democrats on race while you use their talking points? Keep running.
 
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In Tennessee, we see exactly what you are referring to. Memphis/Shelby County alone (dem run/operated county) accounts for almost 60% of the crime statewide. All you have to do is follow the handouts, if you have a lot of welfare recipients you have a high % of crime.
Yep, same thing happens in Alabama. Another Southern state with very low crime, besides from Birmingham, which is one of the worst areas in the nation.

Run by democrats for decades. Several of the mayors have been black, and several have ended up in jail.
 
In Tennessee, we see exactly what you are referring to. Memphis/Shelby County alone (dem run/operated county) accounts for almost 60% of the crime statewide. All you have to do is follow the handouts, if you have a lot of welfare recipients you have a high % of crime.
My questions to you. Does the governor has any control over those cities?

If not, then why are some of you blaming the president if the governor can't even get the mayors to listen?

If yes, then what are the Republican governors doing to stop the crime?

You guys are putting yourself in a corner.
 
My questions to you. Does the governor has any control over those cities?

If not, then why are some of you blaming the president if the governor can't even get the mayors to listen?

If yes, then what are the Republican governors doing to stop the crime?

You guys are putting yourself in a corner.
Or we could just hold the dems accountable for running their cities into the ground. And not try to kick the can down the road to the governor or president.

I mean, that's what good people do. Bad people playing politics like to shift blame and move goalposts.

Now...what were you saying about being in a corner?
 
My questions to you. Does the governor has any control over those cities?

If not, then why are some of you blaming the president if the governor can't even get the mayors to listen?

If yes, then what are the Republican governors doing to stop the crime?

You guys are putting yourself in a corner.
The Governor doesn't control individual city government, Sir. The point is that there are cities that are run by milquetoast Dems that pander to whatever is popular. A good manager doesn't do what everyone wants, he does what is best for the entire company. That's why Trump was vilified because he made some unpopular moves, but he was doing what he felt was the best direction for the Country.

To your second question: No, the governor should not interfere with your daily lives if you are a tax-paying working resident of that state. However, if you succumb to gov't assistance (state/federal) you have essentially waived all rights to be managed on your own accord and allowed the state and federal government to control your means. The same with criminals that are dependent on state correctional support. So far this Biden admin that you love is buying off Americans and soon will be completely in control of everything if we don't demand financial independence through free enterprise.
 
Which talking point is that?
Well for starters you trotted out the “both sides” when asked to provide some evidence of Trump’s racism. You literally parrot the exact same wrong talking points on that one like it still 2018.

“The crime bill was designed to help the black community with rising crime, the assault weapons ban, climate bill, violence against women, etc. I'll like to see what he does as president.”
Braaaaawk
 
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Well for starters you trotted out the “both sides” when asked to provide some evidence of Trump’s racism. You literally parrot the exact same wrong talking points on that one like it still 2018.

“The crime bill was designed to help the black community with rising crime, the assault weapons ban, climate bill, violence against women, etc. I'll like to see what he does as president.”
Braaaaawk
I figured it would be Trump stuff. Let's agree to disagree on the both sides. I said Republicans had issues with it but in my 20 post about it, you purposely ignore that because it goes against your narrative that it's a liberal talking point.

Liberals don't defend the crime bill. They hate it big time. They made Hilary and Biden apologized for it. Nothing you mentioned is liberal talking points. So once again, show me using liberal talking points. I have attached links of liberals calling out some things I said. That shows that they are not liberal talking points.



 
He's trying to move the goalposts to crime at the state-level, because when you look at crime at the city level, it proves his dem-run cities are the worst.

And he's not smart enough to understand that moving to the state level really doesn't help his argument, it crushes it.

What areas are the worst about crime? Cities, because they have more population.

Take a red state that has 2-3 major dem-run cities...and guess what happens to crime stats for the whole state?

They go waaaaay up. And they get pushed there by those dem-run cities.

Bedpan Bobby thinks he can obfuscate his way to spinning that red states having a lot of crime is the fault of the republicans.

Maybe he should be worried more about actually cleaning up those cities where crime runs rampant, regardless of the political affiliation of the mayor.

But you see....that would be putting people over party. Dems have a problem with that.


Agreed. It’s a stupid argument
 
I figured it would be Trump stuff. Let's agree to disagree on the both sides. I said Republicans had issues with it but in my 20 post about it, you purposely ignore that because it goes against your narrative that it's a liberal talking point.

Liberals don't defend the crime bill. They hate it big time. They made Hilary and Biden apologized for it. Nothing you mentioned is liberal talking points. So once again, show me using liberal talking points. I have attached links of liberals calling out some things I said. That shows that they are not liberal talking points.



LOL you hate the both sides argument because you keep getting swatted by how wrong you are. And no one ignored your Tim Scott article, you ignored my response because you didn’t read the words in the article, you read the headline.

Liberals didn’t start going after Biden for the crime bill until recently when a Republican President actually brought forth and signed off on criminal reform LOL. Something Obama didn’t do and knowing full well Hillary wouldn’t have done either.

So you have a candidate that says racist things, drafts a crime bill that negatively affects black people, he continues saying racist things and you still vote for him? Oh because he was told to apologize for it? And you think that apology was sincere because he was forced to apologize? LOL
 
I figured it would be Trump stuff. Let's agree to disagree on the both sides. I said Republicans had issues with it but in my 20 post about it, you purposely ignore that because it goes against your narrative that it's a liberal talking point.

Liberals don't defend the crime bill. They hate it big time. They made Hilary and Biden apologized for it. Nothing you mentioned is liberal talking points. So once again, show me using liberal talking points. I have attached links of liberals calling out some things I said. That shows that they are not liberal talking points.



He also defended the legislation as indicative of its time, noting it had the support of the Congressional Black Caucus and Black mayors across the country. Still, he acknowledged the country's attitude on racial justice issues has shifted dramatically since President Bill Clinton signed the law.

“Things have changed,” he said.


What's changed? Crime is okay now because of wokeness? That's the message he sends and the urban "Summer of Love" proved out that being soft on crime doesn't work.
 
LOL you hate the both sides argument because you keep getting swatted by how wrong you are. And no one ignored your Tim Scott article, you ignored my response because you didn’t read the words in the article, you read the headline.

Liberals didn’t start going after Biden for the crime bill until recently when a Republican President actually brought forth and signed off on criminal reform LOL. Something Obama didn’t do and knowing full well Hillary wouldn’t have done either.

So you have a candidate that says racist things, drafts a crime bill that negatively affects black people, he continues saying racist things and you still vote for him? Oh because he was told to apologize for it? And you think that apology was sincere because he was forced to apologize? LOL
They've been going after the crime bill since Hillary man. You know that. Come on now.

My feelings towards Biden wasn't the question. The question is what liberal talking points am I using and you wasn't able to provide them.

I read the article and I saw Scott do interviews. You're going by what the press secretary told you. I'm going by what Tim Scott said. . Here's a link of Scott saying that Trump tried to explain his fine people comment and Scott said he told Trump "The real picture has nothing to do with who is on the other side.” because of what KKK and white supremacy represent. His comment “I shared my thoughts of the last three centuries of challenges from white supremacists, white nationalists, KKK, neo-Nazis, so there is no way to find an equilibrium when you have three centuries of history.”

So he did met about the fine people on both sides comment, per Scott. That's why I said agree to disagree because you see what you want to see on this topic.

 
They've been going after the crime bill since Hillary man. You know that. Come on now.

My feelings towards Biden wasn't the question. The question is what liberal talking points am I using and you wasn't able to provide them.

I read the article and I saw Scott do interviews. You're going by what the press secretary told you. I'm going by what Tim Scott said. . Here's a link of Scott saying that Trump tried to explain his fine people comment and Scott said he told Trump "The real picture has nothing to do with who is on the other side.” because of what KKK and white supremacy represent. His comment “I shared my thoughts of the last three centuries of challenges from white supremacists, white nationalists, KKK, neo-Nazis, so there is no way to find an equilibrium when you have three centuries of history.”

So he did met about the fine people on both sides comment, per Scott. That's why I said agree to disagree because you see what you want to see on this topic.

No they haven’t. Liberals have for years only brought up criminal justice reform when a Republican is in office. That is the only time its been brought to the forefront. You yourself just tried to defend the crime bill as an intent to help black people. It was authored by liberals so they could try and get a perception they were tough on crime. Gun control was also in your paragraph, yet another liberal talking point that is supposed to help minorities but has never done so.

Again, with the Tim Scott stuff LOL. Discussing racial stuff with the President after Charlottesville should happen but where in Scott’s quote does he attribute the President saying something racist? After the deluge of articles and talking heads proclaiming Trump called white supremacists good people it’s good he went and spoke to the President. You again are providing nothing, you’re squawking excerpts from an article that aren’t even making your point LOL.

You have to be dizzy by now LOL
 
So did Trump. Is he a RINO?
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

Kalinggoodman: "Just like Trump was a democrat but left the party. So is Trump a RINO too?"

ME: "He used to be a Democrat so yeah. I believe he joined the GOP to become President and it worked. See above his comments on assault weapons bans and waiting periods. Also he passed more gun control than Obama did."
 
It bothers me that you took it there.

It bothers me when you do it....it bothers me when you say crap like...

...but what the majority of black people think means nothing to you I suppose.

Lastly, I'll never let a white man tell me what is racist/bigoted. We can certainly discuss it but understand my point of view will be different because well I'm black. It's like men making decisions about a woman body.

There were many things wrong with your post but this part takes the prize. It's just straight up racist.

Work on that imo. Or not...it's your call.
 
Youd Have a point if you I were arguing Trump is a racist. Feel free to reread the thread and find where I said that.

You are so defensive that you are making up nonexistent arguments from me.

But what you did argue was that that Biden is a “racist POS” , without any evidence to support it based on his actions. I notice how quickly you deflected from that line of thinking.

I also notice how quick you are to call someone stupid after after someone points out how faulty your thought process is. In poker, we call that a tell.

I can't explain my comments any clearer. If you don’t get it, I can live with it.
 
You don't find something wrong with tagging the black guy on "bigot" videos?

I don't know what you are referring to.

If someone is trolling the black guy with a racist video, sure, that's messed up.

If someone tagged you with a video as part of an ongoing debate they were having with you, and they believed that video furthered a point they were making, I don't see the issue.

I don't believe that I'm going to have discussions about race with you anymore so if it was me, problem solved.
 
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I don't know what you are referring to.

If someone is trolling the black guy with a racist video, sure, that's messed up.

If someone tagged you with a video as part of an ongoing debate they were having with you, and they believed that video furthered a point they were making, I don't see the issue.

I don't believe that I'm going to have discussions about race with you anymore so if it was me, problem solved.
I hope all of you follow suit. Race is serious to me, not a debate or political game.
 
You don't find something wrong with tagging the black guy on "bigot" videos?
No one tagged the black guy. We tagged the race-baiting racist.

I hope all of you follow suit. Race is serious to me, not a debate or political game.
On the contrary, race couldn't be a bigger joke to you. You make some of the most outlandish claims about race I've ever seen here, and if anyone pushes back, you try to play the 'I'm black, I don't let white people define race for me' card. Which is about as racist as it gets.

That's why you get tagged in 'bigot' videos. And when you have a chance to call out your guy on his racism, you punt and claim Trump is racist, and that real blacks know it. Which is again, about as racist as it gets.

You use your claimed skin color as both a shield against calling out dems like Hiden on their racism, and as a shield to invent racism charges against your political foes.

As I said, race couldn't be a bigger joke to you.
 
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