President Trump to be reinstated?
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No shit. And that’s why Trump clarified who he was talking about. You’re like talking to a toddler. The confederate statue debate has good people on both sides. I watched two grown ass black men where I work disagree with each other about the topic. I’ll ask again, is one of them a racist? A white supremacist? Two non-racist white people can also have that same debate. You keep ignoring that part of this discussion because you keep wanting it to be about Trump calling white supremacists good people which he didn’t do. Again, you are clinging to something that didn’t happen. You keep trying to equate Trump and Biden’s racism and it’s not even doable without lying or manipulating words attributed to Trump... you’re literally making my point every single time you post. You voted for someone you admit is racist and you’re justifying it by lying about the other candidate’s racism. Using whataboutisms is bad enough, to do so dishonestly is even worse. You sold out your principles to vote for a racist. Just own it.
I'm going to speak on this since I've been around the Klan my whole life. They are mostly poor people, who've been told their vote isn't worth anything and lately, that it's ok to "punch a Nazi." They are just as marginalized as any minority. My thoughts on them is they are basically stupid people that don't want people who look like me f*cking their daughters and mostly want to be left alone. I've rode motorcycles with them, and they've stopped to help me on the side of the rode before. That doesn't mean I trust them or think they are good people. When they do bad shit they need to be called out on it, and that's exactly what Trump did if I recall correctly.
Yep. He's looking at Hiden's actual racism and saying it doesn't matter, then inventing racism for Trump and saying it does matter.
And when he gets called out on it, he tells us that only black people are qualified to know what is racism to black people.
But then when we show him instances of black people calling out Hiden as a racist, he says that black man doesn't speak for him, that black people aren't monolithic, and anyone that says they are, is racist.
Then when we remind him of the time when Hiden said black people WERE monolithic, he says we can't judge if that's racism to black people.
He's spinning himself silly in order to justify supporting a racist. As you pointed out, he should just be a man and own it.
LOL! Lie, lie, lie...
You forgot to capitalize MY and place some of your own conjecture on what was in his head.
Can you provide something other than that little snippet of your own version of events? You obviously can’t be trusted with quotes or context.
It’s good to see you have passively admitted how wrong you were about Charlottesville comments. Gotta find that next thing to justify voting someone that thinks so little of black people LOL!
Not true. Racist is not a game to me. This comment shows that its a game to you. Saying that it's fine people on both sides, when one side is promoting white power will always be bad. I just can't do this anymore. If you can't see why that is offensive to a lot of black people including black Republicans and black lovers of Trump. Then this conservation is pointless. Democrats and liberals weren't the only ones bothered by that. You keep saying it was debunked. It was debunked by WHITE people. White people telling us blacks that it's not racist is hilarious. That's EXACTLY how Jim Crow was. White people creating racist laws and telling black people that it's not racist. Funny how much things remain the same but I'm out of this conversation.
Good. Glad you're out because I'm quite frankly sick and tired of seeing your one-sided viewpoint when you cannot even see your one-sided viewpoint.
You know I respect you. So sorry for the delayed response. Byrd was a former Klan member but as he got older the man changed. He denounced racism, segregation and was adamant about how being a Klan member was the worse thing he ever did. Byrd definitely evolved. Byrd was also growing up in a era when that was "ok". I am sure his parents/friends told him that was the correct way to live.
Black people are very forgiving. We understand that not everyone is perfect on race. We just want to see that you're trying and that you're listening. Biden has always listened, he has been very involved with the NAACP. He worked as lawyer helping poor black people. He struggles with talking about us but he knows how to talk to us. Just youtube Biden at black churches.
You have addressed absolutely nothing I have brought up. You keep repeating the same lies over and over again. The man literally condemned white supremacy in the same speech you’re saying he called them good people. You have the emotional maturity of a two year old and apparently too cowardly to admit when you’re wrong. That’s a you problem and no one else’s.
There were 3 groups of people in Charlottesville.
1. People who wanted the confederate monuments to come down.
2. People who didn't want them to come down.
3. White supremacists whackos.
I believe that the 3rd group was much smaller. They of course got the most press because their position was the most ridiculous.
IMO, when Trump said that there were good people on both sides, he was referring to groups 1 and 2. The left believes, or perhaps pretends, that there were only two groups there...thus Trump claims white supremacists are also good people.
That's a false narrative. Trump was trying to lend support to groups 1 and 2 saying that both sides had a valid perspective. That means he said that the people who want the monuments removed also have a valid point.
I ask you this...what "self-respecting" white supremacist, or someone who supports them, would lend any credence to people who want to remove confederate statues from public space?
This isn't that hard...assuming that you actually want to think through the situation.
“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”
That's a partisan view of how Biden views, behaves and speaks about black people.
Yes, you are black and I am white. I still have eyes and ears. You can hear black people being racist towards white people. I can hear whites being racist towards black people.
I'm not telling you how to feel about it. I'm telling you how I feel about it.
I hear you but the rally was a rally by white supremacist. The event was by unite the rally a pro white supremacy group. Trump was inaccurate by saying that "fine people" were their to protest the taking down of a statue. It was white supremacy protesting taking down a statue. So if you showed up to march with white supremacy there is nothing fine about you. So to your reply, #3 didn't show up. It was their event.
Respect that and ignoring the general election. I'm telling you why in the primary why black people showed up and out for him. He listens to the black community. Thats reason why he did better than Harris, Bernie, Warren, Booker etc. Maybe you'll never see it but that's why. Just like the guy mentioned earlier about how Trump spoke to poor white people. Sometimes if you're not that demographic, you'll never understand. In my case, I'll never understand why poor white people loves this rich man from NY.
Maybe that is true. I have no idea.
However, there is no doubt that there was a large group of people there that were only there to support not tearing down the monuments.
It looked like about 50 to 100 people who were there to be racist F sticks.
But again, if Trump was supportive of the WS movement, he would not have lent credence to the people who wanted to tear down confederate monuments. That's just common sense. And obviously he would not have made the negative comments about the WS.
You know for a fact every person there in support of keeping the statues up was a white supremacist?
Horseshit.
Personally I think they should leave the ones up where they are at. No new ones unless they are on private property.
What's that saying about the dems? If they didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.
For better or worse, he is viewed as a successful business icon.
Trump is ultimately a liberal white yankee imho. The spectrum has shifted so far left, while Trump did not, and somehow that made him a Republican.
This is part of the reason I think the "Trump is racist" talking point is so ridiculous. He is a NY lib. Not much klan activity in the 5 Burroughs imho.
I have no idea what he knew but it's public record about who event it was. It was a white supremacist event.
If you show up to a white supremacy event and decide to march with them forever reason, what do that make you? People may have been there to fight the statue but they decided to march with white supremacist. Would you march with a group that you think is despicable?
Liberals can be racist too, even in NY. It's not limited to the south or something.
Sigh...ok
Again, why did Trump also support the people who wanted to tear the statues down? Does that make sense to you?
Many people supported BLM. Not all of them hated the police. Many in BLM do.
How can it be that not everyone agreed completely in those protests?
Wait...so now blacks ARE monolithic?
Maybe you should speak for yourself, I refuse to believe that the entire black race is as stupid as you are.
You have demonstrated zero proof that it was white supremacist event. None, zilch, zip. You are making a huge assumption that everyone that wants to keep Confederate statues up is a white supremacist.
So if I go march at a rally to leave a Confederate statue up, that makes me a white supremacist? I'm not white. I have zero skin in the game.
Logic is not your strong suit.
That's not why that group was there. You need to do a deeper dive. That's another Trump inaccuracies. They were there because the white supremacy was there. It was about telling them that white supremacy isn't ok.
At that time, could he have misspoke because he was trying to please everyone? Of course. But given the information out there now, he refuse to accept that he made mistake. So since he refuse to say he made a mistake, we have to accept that he truly think you can support a white supremacist movement and be fine people. I don't think any supremacist is fine people.
Then don't deal with them. This is still America, where you can believe any retarded ass thing you want to as long as it doesn't lead to physical violence or property damage.
You are grasping at straws here. Trump said "there were good people on both sides of the protest".
Nothing more, nothing less. You let the media tell you what to think.
There were also trouble makers there. Both radical sides. Trump did not speak of nor refer to them.
More revisionist history.
Your logic...yea man, gmab.
You bend over backwards to excuse Biden for blatant racism. You also bend over backwards to make the case that Trump supported WS.
We are never going to see eye to eye on this. And with all due respect, that is because you are being entirely unreasonable.
Kal............don't be a noob. Fast forward to the 40 second mark here.
Fair question. I actually had this same conversation with my Texas conservative friend. I put that in a different category similar to the 2nd amendment and abortion rights fight. I don't consider those the same as race wars.
Catching on to the theme?
