PA having a public hearing about the election in Gettysburg today

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Jenna just tweeted that she and Rudy will be there. Rumor is your President Trump will show up as well.

Good for the public to learn what really happened. Will make more sense when they overturn the media's results.
 
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Jenna just tweeted that she and Rudy will be there. Rumor is your President Trump will show up as well.

Good for the public to learn what really happened. Will make more sense when they overturn the media's results.
I understand the logic behind the hearing, but what really matters is overturning the state certification of the results. Perhaps this hearing is the means of building political support in addition to the legal process.
 
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I understand the logic behind the hearing, but what really matters is overturning the state certification of the results. Perhaps this hearing is the means of building political support in addition to the legal process.
I sense you're still pessimistic. Understandable, but I must confess that this week has inspired me. Confidence growing by the hour.
 

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I sense you're still pessimistic. Understandable, but I must confess that this week has inspired me. Confidence growing by the hour.
Believe me, I firmly believe that there was some shady sh!t going on with the voting process. Unlike 2000, where everything hinged on Florida, now there are at least four states that have to be challenged successfully to change the outcome.

So far the courts have not bought into the Trump teams legal arguments. I was watching Newsmax last night, and the lady being interviewed (co-director of “Lawyers for Trump”) conceded that Trump’s odds are not that great. At least that was my takeaway

As I understand it, the problem with overturn the results of an election due to fraud, a case has to be made that the fraud was so pervasive that it would have affected the outcome. There seems to be plenty of anecdotal evidence, but apparently it doesn’t satisfy the legal standard, at least reflected in the court’s decisions so far. Maybe these hearings will advance that argument.

Even assuming the courts are sympathetic, what is the appropriate remedy? Invalidating all mail-in ballots? Ordering a do-over election in certain states? I don’t know what the answers are....

Obviously any decision favorable to Trump will have profound societal implications. Notwithstanding the legal obligations to be impartial in judicial decisions, you and I both know the judges will give undue consideration to these impacts.
 
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He's never been a fan of Trump.
“Never” is too strong a term. I really only got on the Trump train about 6-8 months ago. If you want to term me as a “bandwagon” fan of Trump, then I guess I’ll own it. I’m more committed to and concerned about conservative ideals than any one person.
 
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“Never” is too strong a term. I really only got on the Trump train about 6-8 months ago. If you want to term me as a “bandwagon” fan of Trump, then I guess I’ll own it. I’m committed to and concerned about conservative ideals than any one person.
I tell you what. If I stood back and witnessed this happening on the Republican side - meaning they were the ones in question concerning cheating - I'd still be plenty upset. What a dilemma that would be, because Trump would have won by cheating and yet the recourse would be Biden as President. OUCH! But it'd have to be proven without doubt and I'd then have to stand by that decision. Would I hate it? Of course, but it would be best for the country. That being said, the opposite cannot be further from the truth. THEY LIED. THEY CHEATED. THEY WILL COME TO JUSTICE. Give it a chance to work out. We are not being shown everything.
 
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“Never” is too strong a term. I really only got on the Trump train about 6-8 months ago. If you want to term me as a “bandwagon” fan of Trump, then I guess I’ll own it. I’m committed to and concerned about conservative ideals than any one person.
Who do you think is the last true conservative that the Republican party has nominated?

I don't think Reagan was one, do you?

The Bushes were more liberal than conservative. McCain was too. Romney talked a good talk, but as we've seen since, he would have let the liberals do whatever they wanted.

Trump isn't a true conservative either. Point is, we've never had one and the reality is, Trump stands to do more to push the Republican party toward true conservatism than anyone has in our lifetimes.

We need to keep our eyes on the bigger picture. This country as it stands today will never elect a true conservative. We need to greatly adjust our values as a nation to get to that point. I think Trump's continued success pushes us closer to that point, not further away.

This is what has baffled me and people like Rush to no end: The people that claim to support true conservatism should be 110% in favor of Trump.
 
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“Never” is too strong a term. I really only got on the Trump train about 6-8 months ago. If you want to term me as a “bandwagon” fan of Trump, then I guess I’ll own it. I’m committed to and concerned about conservative ideals than any one person.
Or think of it this way:

You want true conservativsm for the nation.

Dems want true socialism.

How did Dems get there?

Sloooooooooooowly. They have spent DECADES gently nudging the nation to this point. If they had gone full Bernie and AOC in the 70s, they would have been crushed.

That's why they didn't. They nudged the nation to be more accepting of socialism till we reached a point where a mass of people would accept Bernie and AOC.

If you want the nation to accept Ted Cruz (for example) as true conservatism, then you don't push him on the nation TODAY, you gently nudge the nation in that direction over YEARS.

Trump could be the start. That's why I think those that support true conservatism should be his biggest cheerleaders.
 
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See? We will never be a truly conservative country because 'our side' folds like a cheat tent at the first sign of trouble.

I think that's why our side is about to become 'your' side. A lot of Republicans have seen what it's like to have someone in the WH that will fight for our common values, and we like it.

A lot. If the choice becomes staying with the Republican party of staying with politicians that will fight like Trump, then all I can do is say holla to the Rs, we out.
 

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Who do you think is the last true conservative that the Republican party has nominated?

I don't think Reagan was one, do you?

The Bushes were more liberal than conservative. McCain was too. Romney talked a good talk, but as we've seen since, he would have let the liberals do whatever they wanted.

Trump isn't a true conservative either. Point is, we've never had one and the reality is, Trump stands to do more to push the Republican party toward true conservatism than anyone has in our lifetimes.

We need to keep our eyes on the bigger picture. This country as it stands today will never elect a true conservative. We need to greatly adjust our values as a nation to get to that point. I think Trump's continued success pushes us closer to that point, not further away.

This is what has baffled me and people like Rush to no end: The people that claim to support true conservatism should be 110% in favor of Trump.
I consider Reagan to be the closest to a true conservative. All the Republican nominees after him were clearly much less conservative than him.

I really like Ted Cruz and voted for him in the 2016 primary. I distrusted Trumps commitment to conservative ideals and figured HRC would win in 2016, so I voted a write-in for 2016; assuming Trump didn’t need my vote to win Indiana’s EVs.

I really came around to Trump this year, seeing how he connected with people, plus the radical turn of the left. I’m still committed to advancing conservative principles regardless of how this election plays out.
 

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Or think of it this way:

You want true conservativsm for the nation.

Dems want true socialism.

How did Dems get there?

Sloooooooooooowly. They have spent DECADES gently nudging the nation to this point. If they had gone full Bernie and AOC in the 70s, they would have been crushed.

That's why they didn't. They nudged the nation to be more accepting of socialism till we reached a point where a mass of people would accept Bernie and AOC.

If you want the nation to accept Ted Cruz (for example) as true conservatism, then you don't push him on the nation TODAY, you gently nudge the nation in that direction over YEARS.

Trump could be the start. That's why I think those that support true conservatism should be his biggest cheerleaders.
Brainwashing our kids to become snowflake sheeples of socialism caught us lazy parents by surprise.
 

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I consider Reagan to be the closest to a true conservative. All the Republican nominees after him were clearly much less conservative than him.

I really like Ted Cruz and voted for him in the 2016 primary. I distrusted Trumps commitment to conservative ideals and figured HRC would win in 2016, so I voted a write-in for 2016; assuming Trump didn’t need my vote to win Indiana’s EVs.

I really came around to Trump this year, seeing how he connected with people, plus the radical turn of the left. I’m still committed to advancing conservative principles regardless of how this election plays out.
So many people were initially put off by Trump because of his way of speech and tweets. They considered that a bigger issue than issues of America, which always confounded me. I was a Trumpee ever since Ben Carsons bowed out - but honestly I though he was too weak anyway. I saw Trump as one who talked a bold talk and it was enlightening and different from any politician ever before. I voted for what he stood for. I didn't vote for an American Pope of moral perfection.
 

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I tell you what. If I stood back and witnessed this happening on the Republican side - meaning they were the ones in question concerning cheating - I'd still be plenty upset. What a dilemma that would be, because Trump would have won by cheating and yet the recourse would be Biden as President. OUCH! But it'd have to be proven without doubt and I'd then have to stand by that decision. Would I hate it? Of course, but it would be best for the country. That being said, the opposite cannot be further from the truth. THEY LIED. THEY CHEATED. THEY WILL COME TO JUSTICE. Give it a chance to work out. We are not being shown everything.
Hope you're right. But I just dont see anything right now that gives hope to the faith.
 

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Used to think I was a conservative until around 2002. Man I feel old. That’s when I figured out I fall more in line with libertarians than conservatives. Now, I am not Ron Paul libertarian as I do believe we need military, but there are things like marriage for example that I think I fall more in line with libertarian views.

For example: if Government didn’t get involved with marriage, then it could have been left up to the church to decide, but since there are tax benefits.....well, You get my drift.

Same thing with marijuana. For the longest time many conservatives have been fighting that battle, why? It makes no sense. Who cares.
 
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Hope you're right. But I just dont see anything right now that gives hope to the faith.
Stop watching CNN, MSNBC or any cable news or broadcast news BESIDES OAN.

Stop clicking links on Twitter unless it's from a source you trust.

Remember: Media is propaganda. They are selling a narrative that Trump lost, the real world has moved on and accepted it, and we hayseed Trump supporters need to get in line.

If Trump had already lost then it wouldn't matter if we bought it or not.

Remember that.

They are trying to convince us that Trump has lost BECAUSE HE HASN'T.

And they know it. And deep down, they know Trump is going to have a 2nd term. They just can't admit it to themselves.