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More IRS Agents Meant to 'Intimidate' - $700 billion Inflation Reduction Act

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"After more than a year of hard work, the Senate is making history. I am confident the Inflation Reduction Act will endure as one of the defining legislative feats of the 21st century." -Chuck Schumer

Does this seem as concerning to you as it does to me? This bill goes way beyond normal and could be the final piece of their "Destroy America" agenda.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/dick-morris-irs-agents/2022/08/15/id/1083199/
 
"After more than a year of hard work, the Senate is making history. I am confident the Inflation Reduction Act will endure as one of the defining legislative feats of the 21st century." -Chuck Schumer

Does this seem as concerning to you as it does to me? This bill goes way beyond normal and could be the final piece of their "Destroy America" agenda.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/dick-morris-irs-agents/2022/08/15/id/1083199/
Nothing they did, except the spending of the money, is permanent.

This will turn out to be:
- An uptick in the stock market, albeit temporary
- Followed by a spike in inflation, less temporary
- About 2 years of pain while the IRS hires and trains all of these new agents. If you are in the middle to upper middle class and haven't heard much from the IRS that'll change...and has to because that's where the money is. There aren't enough billionaires to make a difference. They're coming after average people with this.

The political pendulum will swing right the next two elections and hopefully the IRS is right-sized.
 
"After more than a year of hard work, the Senate is making history. I am confident the Inflation Reduction Act will endure as one of the defining legislative feats of the 21st century." -Chuck Schumer

Does this seem as concerning to you as it does to me? This bill goes way beyond normal and could be the final piece of their "Destroy America" agenda.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/dick-morris-irs-agents/2022/08/15/id/1083199/
This "Bill" does absolutely nothing to reduce inflation, and in fact, with the additional spending could cause inflation to rise. One thing it definitely causes is a rise in taxes and now 87,000 IRS agents to audit the poor and middle class. PLUS, it helps kick start the Green Initiative. Simply BAD all around. BUT what else would you expect from DIMS.

How many of these new 87,000 IRS agents will be assigned to aduit members of Congress??????? Oh yeah, I know already, ZERO.
 
Nothing they did, except the spending of the money, is permanent.

This will turn out to be:
- An uptick in the stock market, albeit temporary
- Followed by a spike in inflation, less temporary
- About 2 years of pain while the IRS hires and trains all of these new agents. If you are in the middle to upper middle class and haven't heard much from the IRS that'll change...and has to because that's where the money is. There aren't enough billionaires to make a difference. They're coming after average people with this.

The political pendulum will swing right the next two elections and hopefully the IRS is right-sized.


If you don't cheat on your taxes you have nothing to worry about
 
If you don't cheat on your taxes you have nothing to worry about
You stupid-ass!! Taxes don't matter in this draconian bill. This communist measure will enable the IRS thugs to come after you regardless! You say anything negative about govt, climate change, etc........heck, they'll make up anything as an excuse to throw you into federal prison! You'll be sitting in the gulags soon enough!
 
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This communist measure will enable the IRS thugs to come after you regardless! You say anything negative about govt, climate change, etc........heck, they'll make up anything as an excuse to throw you into federal prison!

Please show us the language in the law that confirms ANYTHING you're claiming

This should be good 🤣
 
The Totally Corrupt FBI knows how 'In the Wrong' they are, because they have moved to a heightened state of alert.

The Rat/RINO infected Corrupt swamp Congress knows how 'In the Wrong' they are, because they are firing or de-funding our police, while hiring another 87,000 RICO IRS criminals, to be their own armed thugs to attempt to keep themselves from paying the price for their traitorous rejection of their 'Oaths of Office.'
"To support and defend the Constitution from ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic."

What the FBI/IRS/DoJ/Congress have actually done imo, is virtually insure that a
'new & improved' American Revolution will be occurring sometime in the very near future.

The Freedoms of the Sovereign Citizens Masters, will not go quietly into the darkness of tyranny, by the traitorous public servants and their hired thug henchmen.... This is not us,,, they have brought what's coming on themselves with their over-powering soulless EVIL greed for power & money.....


Know that this is in no way the people's revenge, or pay back, it's the necessary coming of GOD's RETRIBUTION!

Retribution theology is basically the idea that you get what you deserve. God sees to it that the good people get good things in life, and the bad people get bad things. God punishes people in this world in direct response to their actions. And God will lead 'his people' to the new promised land....


Those not evil in the organizations need to resign now, or be held guilty for their actions or inactions. Claiming that 'I was only following orders' did not save the Democratic Socialist Party thugs in the Nuremberg trials for their NAZI actions. It won't save those same kinds of people now either...
 
Please show us the language in the law that confirms ANYTHING you're claiming

This should be good 🤣
Good thing you weren't living in Germany during the beginning of WWll. You would've seen real quick how wrong you were by trusting and playing their game the way they suggested. Again, you are pathetically stupid and are not allowing the few brain cells you have in your head to perceive the reality that is soon gonna be crushing you.
 
"After more than a year of hard work, the Senate is making history. I am confident the Inflation Reduction Act will endure as one of the defining legislative feats of the 21st century." -Chuck Schumer

Does this seem as concerning to you as it does to me? This bill goes way beyond normal and could be the final piece of their "Destroy America" agenda.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/dick-morris-irs-agents/2022/08/15/id/1083199/
I think he meant to say "green new deal" Like EVERY SINGLE lefty alive...they are prodigious liars
 
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The Totally Corrupt FBI knows how 'In the Wrong' they are, because they have moved to a heightened state of alert.

The Rat/RINO infected Corrupt swamp Congress knows how 'In the Wrong' they are, because they are firing or de-funding our police, while hiring another 87,000 RICO IRS criminals, to be their own armed thugs to attempt to keep themselves from paying the price for their traitorous rejection of their 'Oaths of Office.'
"To support and defend the Constitution from ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic."

What the FBI/IRS/DoJ/Congress have actually done imo, is virtually insure that a
'new & improved' American Revolution will be occurring sometime in the very near future.

The Freedoms of the Sovereign Citizens Masters, will not go quietly into the darkness of tyranny, by the traitorous public servants and their hired thug henchmen.... This is not us,,, they have brought what's coming on themselves with their over-powering soulless EVIL greed for power & money.....


Know that this is in no way the people's revenge, or pay back, it's the necessary coming of GOD's RETRIBUTION!

Retribution theology is basically the idea that you get what you deserve. God sees to it that the good people get good things in life, and the bad people get bad things. God punishes people in this world in direct response to their actions. And God will lead 'his people' to the new promised land....


Those not evil in the organizations need to resign now, or be held guilty for their actions or inactions. Claiming that 'I was only following orders' did not save the Democratic Socialist Party thugs in the Nuremberg trials for their NAZI actions. It won't save those same kinds of people now either...
@RayGravesGhost will soon put a laughing icon like this 🤣 next to your post because he just doesn't get it. I do believe he'll still be using that icon as one of denial when this all comes to fruition soon.
 
Good thing you weren't living in Germany during the beginning of WWll. You would've seen real quick how wrong you were by trusting and playing their game the way they suggested.

Were you living in Germany during the beginning of WWII?

Didn't think so.

Again, you are pathetically stupid and are not allowing the few brain cells you have in your head to perceive the reality that is soon gonna be crushing you.

Says the guy who used living in Germany at the start of WWII as some sort of test?
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As I asked before...
Please show us the language in the new law that confirms anything bayou said
 
I think someone here knows they been filing incorrect tax returns by their reaction 🤣
Ignorant fools like you have yet to do one simple thing I've challenged you to do for years.

In the 'Federal Registry' give me the number of the LAW that requires a citizen of one of the 50 sovereign states to play a Federal Income Tax on their earned wages.

The last time there was such a LAW, was the Victory War Tax of WWII, which was rescinded after the end of WWII by the U.S. Congress.

The Republic of Florida is not one of the several Federal States that must pay an income tax. - An individual who has income from American Samoa, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI), Guam, Puerto Rico or the U.S. Virgin Islands will usually have to file a tax return with the tax department of one of these territories.

And don't bother me with IRS Codes, because those codes need an 'Enabling Law' to designate exactly who the codes pertain to. And feel free to contact the IRS, asking them for the Federal Registry number, and see what you get...

I'll wait for anyone's answer, but I won't be holding my breath while doing so....
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If you don't cheat on your taxes you have nothing to worry about

Unless the IRS tells you that you cheated on your taxes, of course. They make the claim and you have to show that their claim isn't true.

The IRS isn't constrained by the same laws that most alphabet agencies must abide by. Hell, until 1998, they didn't even have to provide you with due process. It still isn't due process in my view since you have to prove that their claim is false...and you have to do so using their administrative guidelines or in US Tax Court.
 
Heard a Christian news show covering this bill, they played a clip of a congressman answering reporters questions about the bill. They started playing the clip in the middle of the congressman answering a question. Then a reporter asks:

Reporter - So what parts of this bill do you believe will have the most impact on lowering inflation?

Congressman - Next question.


That tells you all you need to know.
 
Heard a Christian news show covering this bill, they played a clip of a congressman answering reporters questions about the bill. They started playing the clip in the middle of the congressman answering a question. Then a reporter asks:

Reporter - So what parts of this bill do you believe will have the most impact on lowering inflation?

Congressman - Next question.


That tells you all you need to know.
I heard that clip yesterday on the Mark Kaye show. These people need to be frog marched to the gallows.
 
Please show us the language in the law that confirms ANYTHING you're claiming

This should be good 🤣
First off this morning, to try and educate this ignoramus here's some tidbits you might wanna look at;

1) it entails economic stagnation, especially for the middle-class;

2) it also entails tackling the climate change thing which is a total hoax;

3) oh yeah about those IRS agents supposedly "auditing" you, notice how Jared Bernstein dodges the actual question of the true function of the 87K thugs;
 
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Unless the IRS tells you that you cheated on your taxes, of course. They make the claim and you have to show that their claim isn't true.

The IRS isn't constrained by the same laws that most alphabet agencies must abide by. Hell, until 1998, they didn't even have to provide you with due process.

But wasn't that the golden era of the US in conservative minds?

How could those have been the good ole days and we had such a corrosive invasive agent terrorizing all Americans and survived?

Answer: It wasn't tyranny.

It still isn't due process in my view since you have to prove that their claim is false...and you have to do so using their administrative guidelines or in US Tax Court.

You seem to have lost the meaning of the term due process.

You make a claim as a taxpayer (the filing)

If the IRS challenges your claim you must assert how you came to that claim
That includes negotiation and possibly court

What do you mean you don't have due process?
 
First off this morning, to try and educate this ignoramus here's some tidbits you might wanna look at;

1) it entails economic stagnation, especially for the middle-class;

2) it also entails tackling the climate change thing which is a total hoax;

3) oh yeah about those IRS agents supposedly "auditing" you, notice how Jared Bernstein dodges the actual question of the true function of the 87K thugs;

OK...one more time for the forum numbskull...

Please show us the language in the law that confirms ANYTHING you're claiming

This should be good


numbskull gets a simple request and responds with everything but the language in the law 🤣
 
Heard a Christian news show covering this bill, they played a clip of a congressman answering reporters questions about the bill. They started playing the clip in the middle of the congressman answering a question. Then a reporter asks:

Reporter - So what parts of this bill do you believe will have the most impact on lowering inflation?

Congressman - Next question.


That tells you all you need to know.
Wasn't this a vote straight down party lines. Not even the RINOS wanted any part of this one.
 
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If you don't cheat on your taxes you have nothing to worry about
That doesn't sound like a job description for a bunch of desk bound financial auditors to catch tax cheats

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That doesn't sound like a job description for a bunch of desk bound financial auditors to catch tax cheats

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95% of those "agents" are non college graduates at the GS 5 level. They are the enforcement arm, the ones with no knock warrants and chaining businesses closed. That's what this bill does, adds a new army of brown shirts to terrorize taxpayers. Nobody is buying the bullshit the Dimtards are selling.
 
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That doesn't sound like a job description for a bunch of desk bound financial auditors to catch tax cheats

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It never has been...

But that's not the only thing you have wrong about the IRS & the funding


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/y...adly-force-but-heres-some-context-11660247355
Yes, the IRS is hiring criminal investigators empowered to use deadly force — but here’s some important context
Last Updated: Aug. 15, 2022 at 3:09 p.m. ET

The Internal Revenue Service’s operations are catching heat as the tax agency is in line for an $80 billion budget boost under the Democrats’ proposed spending plan — and now there’s intense attention being focused on IRS workers who actually pack heat.

It started as criticism from Republican leaders that the tax-collecting agency would bring on 87,000 new employees to “target regular, everyday Americans” with the $80 billion earmarked for the IRS in the Inflation Reduction Act reconciliation bill, which looks poised to become law. That’s a “misleading” claim, according to the Associated Press.

The bill passed Friday in a 220-207 vote of the House of Representatives and is now headed to President Joe Biden’s desk to be signed into law.

In recent days there’s been an online stir over job postings for IRS special agents who carry guns as part of their work with the IRS’s Criminal Investigation Division.

Though the job is really about sniffing out income and accounting irregularities to build legal cases, one of the potential duties is “conduct[ing] or participat[ing] in surveillance, armed escorts, dignitary protection, undercover operations, execution of search and arrest warrants, seizures, etc.,” the job listing states.

There are 300 vacancies for that role, which pays between $50,704 and $89,636 annually, according to the listing.

Though the job listing drew new attention this week, requiring some IRS special agents to potentially use deadly force is nothing new, an IRS criminal-investigation spokeswoman confirmed.

“The job description is consistent with previous special-agent announcements for the same position and consistent with announcements from other federal law-enforcement agencies,” the spokeswoman said, noting that the Criminal Investigation Division at the IRS is on its own the federal government’s sixth largest law-enforcement agency.

Following is some context on the special-agent listing and the broader debate over more funding for the IRS.


As a starting point, the estimate of the IRS’s bringing on 87,000 new employees came in 2021 from the Treasury Department, the AP noted. It would be a multiyear hiring plan and would encompass extra auditors plus an array of other jobs amid retirement and other IRS attrition, the AP added.

IRS ranks have been shrinking over the years. The IRS’s annual data book shows that in the last fiscal year it had almost 79,000 full-time workers, nearly a 13% decrease from fiscal 2012.

Data show the criminal division is a sliver of the IRS’s overall workforce. The division includes approximately 3,000 employees, with 2,100 being sworn agents, the spokeswoman noted.

As the agency’s workforce has decreased, so has the IRS’s audit rate among taxpayers at all income levels. Government data shows the decrease is especially sharp for higher earners.

More than half of the $80 billion in supplemental funding in the Inflation Reduction Act would be earmarked for more tax-compliance enforcement. Officials, including Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig, a Trump pick to lead the agency in 2018, have pledged that the extra enforcement would not be directed at small businesses or households making less than $400,000.

“Contrary to the misinformation from opponents of this legislation, small business or households earning $400,000 per year or less will not see an increase in the chances that they are audited,” Yellen said.

Three-quarters of voters say they are not personally worried about being audited by a better-funded IRS, according to a Morning Consult/Politico poll Wednesday. More than half, 56%, said they were not worried about more audits generally.

The Inflation Reduction Act now awaits Biden’s signature, and the Democratic president has previously said would sign the bill. From that point, a fuller anticipation to lawmakers would be expected from the IRS later, tax experts said — and some worry there are still too few resources being devoted to helping regular taxpayers with questions.

The $80 billion — again, that’s spread over a decade — would be on top of annual budget appropriations for the agency. The debate over the funding is heated, with some observers saying the IRS needs every cent and others saying it needs no extra money.

For instance, Mark Everson, who served as IRS commissioner during the George W. Bush administration from 2003 to 2007, said the agency needs more money, but not at this magnitude. Extra, inflation-adjusted appropriations around 3% to 5% are a better bet for manageable growth, said Everson, vice chairman of alliantgroup, a specialty tax-services provider.

“The IRS needs to proceed extremely carefully as it ramps up,” he said, adding that “they’ve got to get the right people.” That holds true within the criminal division, he said.

The division itself is “a relatively small part of the agency, but it’s very important, both in terms of the role it plays for criminal tax problems and in support of other violations of law, including terrorism and corporate fraud.”

Criminal Investigation Division officials have to be involved in law-enforcement efforts because “financial information is frequently an important element of federal criminal investigations,” Everson said. “They play an essential role.”

The scandals and criminal cases surrounding WorldCom and Enron were two instances in which the division played an instrumental role, Everson said. More recently, the division was involved in the 2013 takedown of the Silk Road underground website on which sales of drugs and illegal services were powered by the emergence of bitcoin BTCUSD, -2.22% as a payment means.

During fiscal 2021, the IRS completed almost 2,800 criminal investigations, with most resulting in referrals to prosecution. That included more than 1,000 cases related to tax crimes, like evasion; 979 financial-crime cases including money laundering; and 735 drug-related financial crimes.

The long view shows the drain on the Criminal Investigation Division, as well. In the 2011 fiscal year, the division completed nearly 4,700 investigations, according to IRS data.
 
OK...one more time for the forum numbskull...

Please show us the language in the law that confirms ANYTHING you're claiming

This should be good


numbskull gets a simple request and responds with everything but the language in the law 🤣
Why do you post something to read here...when it is already in your thoughts?
 
It never has been...

But that's not the only thing you have wrong about the IRS & the funding


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/y...adly-force-but-heres-some-context-11660247355
Yes, the IRS is hiring criminal investigators empowered to use deadly force — but here’s some important context
Last Updated: Aug. 15, 2022 at 3:09 p.m. ET

The Internal Revenue Service’s operations are catching heat as the tax agency is in line for an $80 billion budget boost under the Democrats’ proposed spending plan — and now there’s intense attention being focused on IRS workers who actually pack heat.

It started as criticism from Republican leaders that the tax-collecting agency would bring on 87,000 new employees to “target regular, everyday Americans” with the $80 billion earmarked for the IRS in the Inflation Reduction Act reconciliation bill, which looks poised to become law. That’s a “misleading” claim, according to the Associated Press.

The bill passed Friday in a 220-207 vote of the House of Representatives and is now headed to President Joe Biden’s desk to be signed into law.

In recent days there’s been an online stir over job postings for IRS special agents who carry guns as part of their work with the IRS’s Criminal Investigation Division.

Though the job is really about sniffing out income and accounting irregularities to build legal cases, one of the potential duties is “conduct[ing] or participat[ing] in surveillance, armed escorts, dignitary protection, undercover operations, execution of search and arrest warrants, seizures, etc.,” the job listing states.

There are 300 vacancies for that role, which pays between $50,704 and $89,636 annually, according to the listing.

Though the job listing drew new attention this week, requiring some IRS special agents to potentially use deadly force is nothing new, an IRS criminal-investigation spokeswoman confirmed.

“The job description is consistent with previous special-agent announcements for the same position and consistent with announcements from other federal law-enforcement agencies,” the spokeswoman said, noting that the Criminal Investigation Division at the IRS is on its own the federal government’s sixth largest law-enforcement agency.

Following is some context on the special-agent listing and the broader debate over more funding for the IRS.


As a starting point, the estimate of the IRS’s bringing on 87,000 new employees came in 2021 from the Treasury Department, the AP noted. It would be a multiyear hiring plan and would encompass extra auditors plus an array of other jobs amid retirement and other IRS attrition, the AP added.

IRS ranks have been shrinking over the years. The IRS’s annual data book shows that in the last fiscal year it had almost 79,000 full-time workers, nearly a 13% decrease from fiscal 2012.

Data show the criminal division is a sliver of the IRS’s overall workforce. The division includes approximately 3,000 employees, with 2,100 being sworn agents, the spokeswoman noted.

As the agency’s workforce has decreased, so has the IRS’s audit rate among taxpayers at all income levels. Government data shows the decrease is especially sharp for higher earners.

More than half of the $80 billion in supplemental funding in the Inflation Reduction Act would be earmarked for more tax-compliance enforcement. Officials, including Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig, a Trump pick to lead the agency in 2018, have pledged that the extra enforcement would not be directed at small businesses or households making less than $400,000.

“Contrary to the misinformation from opponents of this legislation, small business or households earning $400,000 per year or less will not see an increase in the chances that they are audited,” Yellen said.

Three-quarters of voters say they are not personally worried about being audited by a better-funded IRS, according to a Morning Consult/Politico poll Wednesday. More than half, 56%, said they were not worried about more audits generally.

The Inflation Reduction Act now awaits Biden’s signature, and the Democratic president has previously said would sign the bill. From that point, a fuller anticipation to lawmakers would be expected from the IRS later, tax experts said — and some worry there are still too few resources being devoted to helping regular taxpayers with questions.

The $80 billion — again, that’s spread over a decade — would be on top of annual budget appropriations for the agency. The debate over the funding is heated, with some observers saying the IRS needs every cent and others saying it needs no extra money.

For instance, Mark Everson, who served as IRS commissioner during the George W. Bush administration from 2003 to 2007, said the agency needs more money, but not at this magnitude. Extra, inflation-adjusted appropriations around 3% to 5% are a better bet for manageable growth, said Everson, vice chairman of alliantgroup, a specialty tax-services provider.

“The IRS needs to proceed extremely carefully as it ramps up,” he said, adding that “they’ve got to get the right people.” That holds true within the criminal division, he said.

The division itself is “a relatively small part of the agency, but it’s very important, both in terms of the role it plays for criminal tax problems and in support of other violations of law, including terrorism and corporate fraud.”

Criminal Investigation Division officials have to be involved in law-enforcement efforts because “financial information is frequently an important element of federal criminal investigations,” Everson said. “They play an essential role.”

The scandals and criminal cases surrounding WorldCom and Enron were two instances in which the division played an instrumental role, Everson said. More recently, the division was involved in the 2013 takedown of the Silk Road underground website on which sales of drugs and illegal services were powered by the emergence of bitcoin BTCUSD, -2.22% as a payment means.

During fiscal 2021, the IRS completed almost 2,800 criminal investigations, with most resulting in referrals to prosecution. That included more than 1,000 cases related to tax crimes, like evasion; 979 financial-crime cases including money laundering; and 735 drug-related financial crimes.

The long view shows the drain on the Criminal Investigation Division, as well. In the 2011 fiscal year, the division completed nearly 4,700 investigations, according to IRS data.
I understand that, but correct me if I'm wrong (Navigator seems to understand the govt HR system better than I)...the IRS reports up to Treasury. Any law enforcement activities gets turned over to Justice (FBI and US Marshall's if a tax cheat is on the lamb).
This will change that and give them tactical deadly force units. That's a big deal.
Lois Lerner (insert either party here as potential abusers) weaponized the IRS by merely cutting off tax status. Think of what they can do now. I will not stop with tax cheats...it never does.
 
I understand that, but correct me if I'm wrong (Navigator seems to understand the govt HR system better than I)...the IRS reports up to Treasury. Any law enforcement activities gets turned over to Justice (FBI and US Marshall's if a tax cheat is on the lamb).

Wrong.
The Secret Service is Treasury.

ATF was Treasury until 2003

This will change that and give them tactical deadly force units. That's a big deal.
Lois Lerner (insert either party here as potential abusers) weaponized the IRS by merely cutting off tax status. Think of what they can do now. I will not stop with tax cheats...it never does.

No change...Treasury has a long history of having deadly force units
 
This will change that and give them tactical deadly force units. That's a big deal.
Lois Lerner (insert either party here as potential abusers) weaponized the IRS by merely cutting off tax status. Think of what they can do now. I will not stop with tax cheats...it never does.
The IRS is woefully understaffed with regard to taxpayer assistance and correspondence. That's NOT what this bill is doing. The IRS even took down their ad after all of the hell being raised over it.

IRS starting point: 4,600 guns, 5 million rounds of ammunition, 'hitman suits'

A Secrets report this week that the agency is hiring armed special agents and telling them that they should be ready to use “deadly force” against their targets has put a spotlight on IRS policing in the country, raising questions about what they do and just how armed the agents are.

 
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Wrong.
The Secret Service is Treasury.

ATF was Treasury until 2003



No change...Treasury has a long history of having deadly force units
True. Treasury has a long history of having deadly force units.
But ATF is Justice and Secret Service is Homeland Security.
But I think you may be on to something...the ATF (ATU at the time) was attached to the IRS in the 1950's with the responsibility of enforcing federal tobacco tax laws.
One of the possibilities I have heard is that Congress is going to try to tax the hell out of guns and ammunition. They can't get rid of them unless they repeal 2A...so just tax them out of reach which is what the NFA (1934) did and the SC upheld it. Then they would need armed assassins for tax enforcement.
 
True. Treasury has a long history of having deadly force units.
But ATF is Justice and Secret Service is Homeland Security.
But I think you may be on to something...the ATF (ATU at the time) was attached to the IRS in the 1950's with the responsibility of enforcing federal tobacco tax laws.

Nope. ATF moved in 2003...SS was Treasury until 2003
So treasury has had a long history of armed agents


January 24, 2003

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) law enforcement functions were transferred on January 24, 2003, from the Department of the Treasury (Treasury) to the Department of Justice (DOJ) under the Homeland Security Act of 2002.

OIG Audit Report 06-37​





Secret Service had always been part of Treasury from its inception to 2003 when Homeland Security was created


The Secret Service, established in 1865, was originally under the Treasury Department. It was then moved to the Homeland Security Department after that department was created in 2003 in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.May 10, 2022

Lawmakers Are Trying Again to Move the Secret Service Back ...​

 
Nope. ATF moved in 2003...SS was Treasury until 2003
So treasury has had a long history of armed agents


January 24, 2003

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) law enforcement functions were transferred on January 24, 2003, from the Department of the Treasury (Treasury) to the Department of Justice (DOJ) under the Homeland Security Act of 2002.

OIG Audit Report 06-37




Secret Service had always been part of Treasury from its inception to 2003 when Homeland Security was created


The Secret Service, established in 1865, was originally under the Treasury Department. It was then moved to the Homeland Security Department after that department was created in 2003 in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.May 10, 2022

Lawmakers Are Trying Again to Move the Secret Service Back ...

Isn't that what I said...
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), is a domestic law enforcement agency within the United States Department of Justice (DOJ).
The United States Secret Service (USSS or Secret Service) is a federal law enforcement agency under the
the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
 
Isn't that what I said...
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), is a domestic law enforcement agency within the United States Department of Justice (DOJ).
The United States Secret Service (USSS or Secret Service) is a federal law enforcement agency under the
the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
Yep, lots of things got reclassified when DHS's ugly mug came into existence. Now the Coast Guard is under DHS.
 
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