Bowlcut again lost to daddy Sabes, then immediately following the game OU announces they have hired his DC as their new HC.
LOL poor Georgia
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I disagree, they should be in the playoffs. I think they will make Bama #1, Michigan #2 and likely Georgia #3 and Cincy #4. That way they can avoid having a Bama-UGA rematch next game.
If Okie State had won, I could have seen Georgia dropping out.
BTW poor Muschamp looks like he has aged 20 years since he left SC. Dude looked like he was really the one running the defense on the sidelnes, and that tongue was hanging out LOL
I still disagree that a non-conference winner gets in while conference winners go bowling. Makes no sense with only 4 slots for 126 teams. When they increase the field then sure add two at large bids.
May be bogus, I am seeing other sources claiming it's Venables.
OU can do better than either.
LOL That's your Georgia hate talking it sounds like. Your scenario would have one-loss Georgia out and 2-loss Baylor in cause they beat #5 Okie State. If Georgia had lost a game before the SECCG, I would agree with you.
No, I dislike the playoff system and the SEC's stronghold on the playoffs. The system is way worse than the bowl alliance system.
It's funny, I was looking at the slate of conference championship games yesterday and thought it was almost like the old New Year's Day bowls. #1 vs #3, #5 vs #9, #2 vs #13, Still not the same thought.
It's Venables, and no we really can't. Trust me, I've been through all the lists and been paying close attention. It looks like the other consideration was Aranda - who's good, but a similar type hire. I'm not sure how serious the Lanning stuff was.
But it's Brent's time. He's an excellent recruiter, he's worked under two extremely successful HC's, he knows what a team that can compete against the SEC looks like and he's not a soft ass little bitch like Riley.
Unless it's a disaster Venables is the kind of guy who will stay at OU for awhile and rebuild the culture, this has always been his dream job.
I'm not over the moon but if the staff is Venables/Lebby/any other S&C coach besides Wiley is probably a net/net improvement. Grinch's defense was gimmicky and soft and Dennis Simmons was an elite recruiter but a terrible coach....and Wiley is awful and always has been. If the Riley offense is what we saw this season - and was average with two elite QB's and 5 stars all over the place, it isn't worth the other deficiencies on staff and the soft culture. I just hope whoever the OC is can recruit Caleb Williams to stay.
I can tell you this, Clempsun fans are not happy to lose him.
Did you watch last night's game?
I find it really hard to say those aren't the two best teams in CFB at this moment.
Is that the SEC's fault?
Uga didn't look like the 2nd best team in America. A great team won't get beaten by 17 (really it wasn't that close) in the conference championship.
I favor a real playoff with the SEC having 4 divisions. UT would have played Ga on Sat and then Ala and Ga would play next weekend. Final 4 would all be conference champs. Ala would be in this year but they would have been left out of probably 3 or 4 of the past games they were in.
Best TV option for NC would be Mich vs SEC...hope to see Ala vs Ga in semis with Uga winning the rematch (ala Spurrier vs Bowden 1996 and Satan vs Miles 2012) Then I would like Mich to win it all, Satan to retire, and Smart to go the way of Richt.
Well of course Clemson fans would hate to lose him, he's a Top 5 DC.
There's a reason why he's still DC at Clemson. Love how internet fans think they can outsmart every school in America.
"Hey! What about that Veneables guy??" As if no school ever thought to look at him LOL Some Florida fans on the blue board were just as gaga over him as if they had discovered a new world.
If that's the hire......then good luck.
He turned down Auburn. He's been named in alot of searches in recent years. He's been an AHC at both OU and Clemson. I think it's hard to leave $2.5MM without the burden of being a HC. I think his list of places he'd leave for is/was very, very short.
Stoops was a DC before getting the job. Riley was an OC before getting the job. From an experience set perspective Venables has more experience than those two combined did. The knock is as you say, he's much older than both of them and not a "rising star"...but the two go hand in hand.
I'm not saying he's a homerun, but the hire makes a ton of sense on paper.
It certainly isn't a bad hire, IMO. I'm not sure it will excite recruits but from a schematics point, he is a solid football coach. Also, when Pittman was hired from Uga, a lot of people scratched their heads and he's a great coach that really flew under the radar.
He’s a very capable recruiter. His staff hires will be critical though - I hate to put too much on one player but if Caleb Williams leaves the job gets exponentially harder.
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Heupel’s success this season at Tennessee is honestly shocking. The fact he even got the job was surprising.
Danny White was the reason he got the job. He would never have been on Fulmer's shortlist.
OU defense started decline after Venables left. Riley's success came with outscoring people. Kansas never punted till the 4th quarter. Grinch had that gimmicy rapid substitution style. One good thing. Fourth quarter OU defenders were fresh as daisies. Most DCs play their best players.
I'll add. Stoops fired Heupel and hired Riley. Stoops left the defensive side intact. After the 2016 season, Stoops shocked the world by retiring. Some believe because he knew he needed to fire his DC brother and couldn't. Riley fired DC Mike Stoops after the 2018 Texas loss, Riley's only loss to Texas. Grinch was hired as DC and many believe didn't make much improvement.
They were fresh but usually nursing a much smaller lead than they should have because OU went truly 3 deep in most positions in the front 7.
And that's not the only gimmick with Grinch's defense. Offenses would toy with OU with motions, watching the DL shift right into leverage.
And you have to mention fundamentals with poor angles, which lead to poor tackling, the playing of coaches' pet players instead of the better athletes...the best thing I can say is the last OU defensive staff finally got through to the players this season to go after and strip the ball and play it aggressively in the air. I don't know the stats but we got some key takeaways at critical times more than seasons past, and it was intentional.
The bottom line is both offensive and defensive efficiency were trending down steadily the last 4 seasons. Riley had the most talented roster in the league by a mile and couldn't win the crap ass B12. He took a preseason Heisman favorite and #2 ranking to the freaking Alamo bowl. Grinch coached safeties and that was by far the biggest problem on defense. Both are obviously good coaches but they are probably better suited for the PAC than the SEC.
Who could ever forget Dicker The Kicker with his game winning FG against Okie?
On Texas game winning drive, they had a third and 18 and picked up 17. I believe OU was near dead last in stopping teams on 4th down. The next day, DC Mike Stoops got fired.
I only brought that up because it was hilarious how the announcers gave him that name as Dicker came onto the field.
Riley is a bum. When Dallas almost hired him a few years ago that confirmed what I already knew that Jerry was a complete moron. He (LR) is also a coward not wanting to coach in the SEC.
Well, supposedly Riley contacted UF right after Mullen was fired, all the while, agreeing to be LSUs next coach until USC hired him for mega bucks.
Why would you consider coaching at UF or LSU when Okie was headed to the SEC? Makes no sense.
Just the rumors that were circulating on the other football board. Someone trying to prove that he wasn't running away from the SEC.
I mean...was Florida and LSU prepared to offer him $110 Million? Was Oklahoma?
A lot of people would run to Alaska for $110 Million.
Castiglione said in last Monday's PC that they had offered to match any contract Riley was given (and did so with LSU, Riley had a new contract to sign from OU), and that they didn't know he was talking to USC until Sunday AM when he informed them he was leaving.
Now:
1) Herroz is a lawyer and there's a specific clause about notification, it's possible Joe said that to keep a potential breach lawsuit intact.
2) Anything OU could offer has to be approved by the BoR, which would have added a few days...Riley was obviously in a hurry. But it's possible one that rich doesn't get approved, who knows.
3) Riley claimed he nor his agent had said a word to USC until Sunday AM, an obvious lie. A contract like that takes time for lawyers and agents to vet. Still doesn't preclude the notification clause in his contract.
I think he'd been working on that deal since August/Sept and it didn't matter if OU, or FL or LSU matched. He wanted no part of the SEC. It's possible this was the right move for all parties, time will tell. He feels like a PAC coach to me, and so does Grinch.
All three are great jobs, but to your point - why leave the one you have? Transitions always bring at least some pain.
The only thing that makes sense to me would be compliance - OU's compliance dept is out of control and needs to be reined in before the SEC move or OU is going to struggle. And I don't mean paying players - it's not all about just that. They are insane.
This is the compliance environment Stoops put in place after the Bomar scandal and it hasn't gotten any better:
Carbo overloading: OU reports pasta pile-on
According to the The Oklahoman, three unnamed Oklahoma student-athletes ate more pasta than the NCAA rules allowed for during a graduation banquet.
Not really, stability and generational wealth already were in his bank account. Sometimes less is more.
He had several years of steady decline before the natives got restless in Norman. He could take his pick of over half the jobs in the SEC (maybe all but 2 or 3 as they came open).
Instead he heads to the left coast where no one cares about football. Most CST and EST recruits barely ever seen PAC teams play.
It was a ton of money and he didn't have to compete. He can recruit well enough to win that conference regularly, rack up stats (and maybe Heismans) and make an occasional appearance in the CFP to get his head stomped in by an SEC team. Same model that worked for him at OU.
He's soft. He's rich, but he's soft.
With the State Income Taxes in CA, UF could have paid him 80 million
I had to check to make sure that was not the Onion or Babylon Bee.All three are great jobs, but to your point - why leave the one you have? Transitions always bring at least some pain.
The only thing that makes sense to me would be compliance - OU's compliance dept is out of control and needs to be reined in before the SEC move or OU is going to struggle. And I don't mean paying players - it's not all about just that. They are insane.
This is the compliance environment Stoops put in place after the Bomar scandal and it hasn't gotten any better:
Carbo overloading: OU reports pasta pile-on
According to the The Oklahoman, three unnamed Oklahoma student-athletes ate more pasta than the NCAA rules allowed for during a graduation banquet.www.espn.com
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I'm telling you, they are crazy.
I'm not convinced it wasn't a factor in Riley wanting to start looking around.
