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NavigatorII said:
BScuck is so ignorant that Webster's Dictionary has his mug shot under the pronunciation. Escaping a communist regime has always had special consideration under our immigration laws. Escaping from a shitty life? Not so much. I used to date a woman from England who was amazed at how strict the stay length and green card rule used to be. Now it's WTF, nothing is enforced or matters. Brandon "thinks" coyotes, drug runners, and medicaid recipients are as reliable at the polls as his dead voters. :rolleyes:
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Is goldmom figuring out she shares a characteristic with us? Getting through to the board's slow is completely beyond her reach.
 
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Are you not aware that since the days of JFK the Cubans have had s special refugee status - one that Central Americans have never had? Now who’s ignorant?
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Of course. Having grown up in Miami and FtL, I’m not a Yankee Floridian like you people from North Florida. That’s the whole point. You seem to be OK with an open border when it comes to Cubans since they vote Pub. “Let them all in. “. Why don’t you call them all criminals? Having lived there, I can tell you that the locals were not very happy about all of these foreigners invading South Florida.

And most of the ones coming in from Central America are applying for refugee status. So the ignorant one is you.
 
Sunburnt Indian said:
Is goldmom figuring out she shares a characteristic with us? Getting through to the board's slow is completely beyond her reach.
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Has she ever lied about being a Mensa member? You’re still mad I exposed you, aren’t you. That’s OK. I understand.
 
BSC911 said:
Of course. Having grown up in Miami and FtL, I’m not a Yankee Floridian like you people from North Florida. That’s the whole point. You seem to be OK with an open border when it comes to Cubans since they vote Pub. “Let them all in. “. Why don’t you call them all criminals? Having lived there, I can tell you that the locals were not very happy about all of these foreigners invading South Florida.

And most of the ones coming in from Central America are applying for refugee status. So the ignorant one is you.
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Who are you calling Yankee, boy?
HOW is it that you can be sooo damn stupid?
EVERYONE knows the further south you go the more north you get. SoFla is NY with palm trees. Bowca Baby 🤮🤮

Oh, and my late hubby was from Coral Gables so I know how Miami USED to be.
Link to previous post saying I’m good with Cubans coming in because they tend to vote R? You won’t find it because I’ve never said anything about that, although I understand why they’d want to risk getting here on rafts, canoes, bathtubs tied to old tires, etc.
and Central American illegals have been COACHED to say they’re refugees by activists who are overwhelmingly leftist and blue.
You stay in your ignorant corner and bathe in that garbage, okay?
 
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goldmom said:
Who are you calling Yankee, boy?
HOW is it that you can be sooo damn stupid?
EVERYONE knows the further south you go the more north you get. SoFla is NY with palm trees. Bowca Baby 🤮🤮

Oh, and my late hubby was from Coral Gables so I know how Miami USED to be.
Link to previous post saying I’m good with Cubans coming in because they tend to vote R? You won’t find it because I’ve never said anything about that, although I understand why they’d want to risk getting here on rafts, canoes, bathtubs tied to old tires, etc.
and Central American illegals have been COACHED to say they’re refugees by activists who are overwhelmingly leftist and blue.
You stay in your ignorant corner and bathe in that garbage, okay?
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You don’t understand why the Central Americans want to come here? And you just admitted it’s different because the vote “blue.”

Point proven.

And I lived there before it was overrun with Yankees. One of the reasons I left.
 
kalimgoodman said:
Have to love America immigration practices! (Sarcasm).
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Right???

I'm not Anti-immigration. We need the workforce in fact. However, if you are a guest here, legal or otherwise, invited or uninvited, and you are charged with a crime, you must be held to account.

That means if you are a legal guest, you can be arrested, held or released on bail as any such citizen of this country can be.

However, if you are not a legal guest then the only way that you should be released from confinement is back into your country of origin.
 
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BSC911 said:
Ask Bamafan if he can arrest someone for being an illegal immigrant.
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Only federal authority can do that. I can act upon their authority.

When we are under Republican leadership (federal), ICE regularly asks us to detain undocumented (illegal) immigrants. They determine what happens next. Even under Republican leadership, far too many are allowed to bond out pending an immigration hearing (that they never show for) but I digress.

When we are under Democratic leadership (federal), we do absolutely nothing outside of capital cases. ICE has become virtually non-existent from my perspective since 1/20/2021.
 
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I’m not saying it is or it isn’t. What I’m saying is that it is a civil violation, not a criminal one.
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That's not true. It is both a criminal and civil offense.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b)Improper time or place; civil penaltiesAny alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officersshall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1)
at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2)
twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
(c)Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.
(d)Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.
 
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Dr. Curmudgeon said:
Actually, you are correct about overstaying your VISA. However, if penalties were assessed and then you reentered the country regardless of being banned or cited for abuse then you can be federally charged with illegal entry violations of the work VISA. Out of Service is also frequently violated VISA conditions.
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You can be federally charged with a crime the first time you illegally gain entry into this country...including overstaying a visa.
 
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BSC911 said:
In Texas, they don’t charge those crossing the border with illegal entry but rather with trespassing. Pretty smart, but that only works if you catch them on private property.
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That's true on the local level (state, county, municipal) but the feds can absolutely charge them.

So when you say "in Texas" what you actually mean is Texas itself. Texas state government cannot enforce federal law without federal authority.
 
BSC911 said:
Just because you can’t accept the fact that they aren’t criminals unless and until until they are tried in a criminal court, which they cant be, doesn’t make me dumb. It just makes you ignorant.

The problem I have is calling all undocumented immigrants criminals while ignoring the fact that according to your definition, everyone is a criminal. That’s just not true, no matter how much that upsets you and how many childish names you call me. It just shows your lack of an effective argument.Youre just mad that I’ve pointed out your hypocrisy.
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What if we add the word "outstanding" before the word criminal? Would that make you feel better?

If @goldmom was convicted of speeding in 1995 and she "paid her debt to society," then her case is closed and she is no longer wanted nor is she an outstanding criminal.

An illegal alien (or undocumented if it makes you feel better) comes in contact with law enforcement in this country, they are by definition an outstanding criminal in this country by their mere presence in this country.

To your point about the possibility of unpunished and unknown crimes (you mentioned pot smoking) by American citizens, making them criminals, they are not proven or even reasonably suspected by their mere contact with law enforcement. See the difference?
 
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BSC911 said:
You seem to be OK with an open border when it comes to Cubans since they vote Pub. “Let them all in. “. Why don’t you call them all criminals? Having lived there, I can tell you that the locals were not very happy about all of these foreigners invading South Florida.
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The Mariel Boatlift consisted of three types of Cuban immigrants...

1) normal immigrants attempting to escape an authoritarian communist regime
2) criminals released from Cuban prisons and Castro wanted to release his problems on the US
3) political prisoners released from Cuban prisons...and these were far less common

I too lived in Florida. Very few had an issue with 1 and 3. Almost everyone had an issue with 2. It was VERY political and the fact of the matter was that we had very little way to determine which group these people came from.
 
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BSC911 said:
Has she ever lied about being a Mensa member? You’re still mad I exposed you, aren’t you. That’s OK. I understand.
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For the board's slowest, I AM NOT A MENSA MEMBER. I have participated in class room Mensa testing. It's a hobby and I enjoy the challenge. Do you understand? How many times must I say this for you to catch on?

You needn't worry. Should you ever decide to take such a challenge,, you would score far lower than goldmom.
 
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Sunburnt Indian said:
For the board's slowest, I AM NOT A MENSA MEMBER. I have participated in class room Mensa testing. It's a hobby and I enjoy the challenge. Do you understand? How many times must I say this for you to catch on?

You needn't worry. Should you ever decide to take such a challenge,, you would score far lower than goldmom.
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I’ve been boning up to take one of those tests.

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Sunburnt Indian said:
For the board's slowest, I AM NOT A MENSA MEMBER. I have participated in class room Mensa testing. It's a hobby and I enjoy the challenge. Do you understand? How many times must I say this for you to catch on?

You needn't worry. Should you ever decide to take such a challenge,, you would score far lower than goldmom.
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Come on dude. You went around here for years talking about Mensa, trying to give the impression you were some kind of genius. Then I exposed your fake quiz.

Tell you what, settle It once and for all. Anyone can take a test, so go ahead and post the results and then we’ll believe you.

Btw, did you ever try to use that Mensa line to try to pick up women? How’d that work out?
 
BamaFan1137 said:
What if we add the word "outstanding" before the word criminal? Would that make you feel better?

If @goldmom was convicted of speeding in 1995 and she "paid her debt to society," then her case is closed and she is no longer wanted nor is she an outstanding criminal.

An illegal alien (or undocumented if it makes you feel better) comes in contact with law enforcement in this country, they are by definition an outstanding criminal in this country by their mere presence in this country.

To your point about the possibility of unpunished and unknown crimes (you mentioned pot smoking) by American citizens, making them criminals, they are not proven or even reasonably suspected by their mere contact with law enforcement. See the difference?
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Wrong. If that were true, then you could arrest them, try them in a criminal court of law, then send them to prison. You can’t. All you can do is detain them for Immigration. Authorities.

How many have you arrested and jailed for immigration violations? ZERO.

Case closed. I can’t believe I know the law better than a LEO.
 
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BSC911 said:
Unless they legalize it.
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Correct and in the case of Cuban refugees, LBJ, a Democrat obviously, signed the law to allow the Cubans to stay. So there's no Republican conspiracy to protect Republican voters in this case.

It was a win over communism and that meant a win over the Soviets...or so we believed. In some ways Castro won because he rid himself of dissidents and criminals.
 
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BamaFan1137 said:
Correct and in the case of Cuban refugees, LBJ, a Democrat obviously, signed the law to allow the Cubans to stay. So there's no Republican conspiracy to protect Republican voters in this case.

It was a win over communism and that meant a win over the Soviets...or so we believed. In some ways Castro won because he rid himself of dissidents and criminals.
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That doesn’t mean squat over the last 20 years, or cover the people sneaking in on boats and other means. It’s all political. Pubs would be building a net if they tended to vote for Dems.
 
BSC911 said:
Wrong. If that were true, then you could arrest them, try them in a criminal court of law, then send them to prison. You can’t. All you can do is detain them for Immigration. Authorities.

How many have you arrested and jailed? ZERO.

Case closed. I can’t believe I know the law better than a LEO.
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You are an idiot on this subject.

It's a federal law. Only federal authorities can enforce immigration INTO THE UNITED STATES. That doesn’t make illegal immigration legal nor does it make it a civil matter.

I can (and do) enforce immigration laws when I have federal authority...and that happened under Trump. They do not go through my court system however; that is a federal matter.

You are dead wrong about it being civil only and not criminal. Now that I've set you straight, you won't be wrong...you will be lying.
 
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How many have you arrested and jailed? ZERO.
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No less than 50 btw. They stayed in my jail until ICE came to get them. From my jail they went to an ICE detention center.

Because illegal immigration is a crime, you dolt.

With a Dem in office, none of the above occurs. Not because the law changed but rather enforcement of the law.
 
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BamaFan1137 said:
You are an idiot on this subject.

It's a federal law. Only federal authorities can enforce immigration INTO THE UNITED STATES. That doesn’t make illegal immigration legal nor does it make it a civil matter.

I can (and do) enforce immigration laws when I have federal authority...and that happened under Trump. They do not go through my court system however; that is a federal matter.

You are dead wrong about it being civil only and not criminal. Now that I've set you straight, you won't be wrong...you will be lying.
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How many have been arrested and tried in a federal court?

ZERO.
 
BamaFan1137 said:
No less than 50 btw. They stayed in my jail until ICE came to get them. From my jail they went to an ICE detention center.

Because illegal immigration is a crime, you dolt.

With a Dem in office, none of the above occurs. Not because the law changed but rather enforcement of the law.
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You didn’t arrest them for immigration violations, but for some other actual crime.

Am I wrong?
 
BSC911 said:
Exactly. Because they are vital to our economy, which was the original question anyway.
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No problem. But a viable system is still needed.

Having people sneak across the border working and getting paid under the table, does not work. We also need to know who is coming in. What we have is not a system and that's not ok.
 
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No problem. But a viable system is still needed.

Having people sneak across the border working and getting paid under the table, does not work. We also need to know who is coming in. What we have is not a system and that's not ok.
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I agree 100%
 
BamaFan1137 said:
That's not true. It is both a criminal and civil offense.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b)Improper time or place; civil penaltiesAny alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officersshall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1)
at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2)
twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
(c)Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.
(d)Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.
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No. The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not, standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions that may be related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presence alone is not a violation of federal criminal law. Thus, many believe that the term “illegal alien,” which may suggest a criminal violation, is inaccurate or misleading

 
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BSC911 said:
How many have been arrested and tried in a federal court?

ZERO.
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Wrong...but your heals are dug in. Pride goeth before the fall.

From my jail they went to Montgomery. From there some went to Louisiana, others "bonded out" and promised to attend an immigration hearing to determine their immigration status. From there some went to Texas, still more bonded out while others were deported directly from Louisiana through Texas land borders.

Have you figured out that I'm not guessing about this process? I even provided you with the US Code that told you directly that it was both a criminal and civil matter.

Here it is again.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(b)Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1)at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2)twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
(c)Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.

(d)Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.

I know the law you pompous ass. You do not, clearly.

www.law.cornell.edu

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu
 
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BSC911 said:
That doesn’t mean squat over the last 20 years, or cover the people sneaking in on boats and other means. It’s all political. Pubs would be building a net if they tended to vote for Dems.
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Ok.

I showed you how Cubans got the loophole. That was the water...drink it if you like. Or don't.
 
BSC911 said:
You didn’t arrest them for immigration violations, but for some other actual crime.

Am I wrong?
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That was up to federal authorities...typically at ICE.

Yes, sometimes ICE asked us to pick them up, without any other criminal charges, and hold them for ICE. Not anymore.
 
BSC911 said:
No. The act of being present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws is not, standing alone, a crime. While federal immigration law does criminalize some actions that may be related to undocumented presence in the United States, undocumented presence alone is not a violation of federal criminal law. Thus, many believe that the term “illegal alien,” which may suggest a criminal violation, is inaccurate or misleading

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I can't help you.

Read the law that I copied and pasted for you twice now.

You cannot be in the United States illegally unless you committed the crimes in that law...a), b), c) or d) specifically.
 
BamaFan1137 said:
I can't help you.

Read the law that I copied and pasted for you twice now.

You cannot be in the United States illegally unless you committed the crimes in that law...a), b), c) or d) specifically.
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Of course you can.

Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted, i.e., illegal entry, is a misdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances. 8 U.S.C. § 1325. But many undocumented immigrants do not enter the United States illegally. They enter legally but overstay, work without authorization, drop out of school or violate the conditions of their visas in some other way. Current estimates are that approximately 45% of undocumented immigrants did not enter illegally. See Pew Hispanic Center, Modes of Entry for the Unauthorized Migrant Population [May 22, 2006].

Undocumented presence in the United States is only criminally punishable if it occurs after an individual was previously formally removed from the United States and then returned without permission. 8 U.S.C. § 1326 (any individual previously “deported or removed” who “enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in” the United States without authorization may be punished by imprisonment up to two years). Mere undocumented presence in the United States alone, however, in the absence of a previous removal order and unauthorized reentry, is not a crime under federal law
 
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