Dems view everyone as monolithic
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Maybe have a conversation about a topic without dragging racism into it.
Also, as with the Southern border, it is not just Mexicans or even central americans coming across illegally, it is not just Canadians coming across the Northern border. It's just not even close to the scale of the Southern border.
Oh horse shit, you started off as you always do trying to make the issue about racism against brown people and that being why the focus is on the southern border.
You should stop trying to sound smart without knowing what you’re talking about:
“Estimates suggest that about 50,000 peopleare trafficked into the US each year, most often from Mexico and the Philippines. In 2018, over half (51.6%) of the criminal human trafficking cases active in the US were sex trafficking cases involving only children.”
11 Facts About Human Trafficking
There are approximately 20 to 40 million enslaved people today.
Definitely wasn't, you did.Oh horse shit, you started off as you always do trying to make the issue about racism against brown people and that being why the focus is on the southern border.
You should stop trying to sound smart without knowing what you’re talking about:
“Estimates suggest that about 50,000 peopleare trafficked into the US each year, most often from Mexico and the Philippines. In 2018, over half (51.6%) of the criminal human trafficking cases active in the US were sex trafficking cases involving only children.”
11 Facts About Human Trafficking
There are approximately 20 to 40 million enslaved people today.www.dosomething.org
"Human trafficking is often confused with human smuggling, which involves illegal border crossings. In fact, the crime of human trafficking does not require any movement whatsoever. Survivors can be recruited and trafficked in their own home towns, even their own homes."
This you talking about hating people from the southern border? LOL
Holy crap...are you actually attempting to make the case that the issue of illegal immigration is the same or very similar with regards to our northern vs our southern border? Seriously? You're either trolling or you are freaking nuts.
This is tantamount to some goofball trying to say that crime in the suburbs is just as bad as crime in the inner city. Clearly crime happens in both places...and since not all crime is reported, how do we know for sure?
Get a freaking grip. This is a stupid debate.
It's BS because you're making a blanket, unverified, opinionated statement based on your own bias.
Bush got killed on it...but was in fact a two term Republican president. A guy who the left freaking hated, so they didn't elect him. So who elected Bush...twice? It was those southern border hating Republicans, wasn't it?
As an independent, you seem to despise everything Republican and defend everything Democrat. You are a sucky independent imho.
So what in the entire ____ are we talking about here? 😂
Seriously...are you having a medical emergency?
Why is it odd to you? You've just admitted that you recognize that "way more people cross the southern border." What are you confused about?
Let's try putting it into perspective...
In your home there are two water leaks. One is gushing like a fire hose while the other is dripping like a faucet. We all agree that both leaks need to be fixed...but which one is your biggest concern? Which leak do you believe should be addressed first? Which leak will cause you the most harm?
If you'll notice, I didn't make any statements or judgments based on the color of the water leaking into your house from either source...because who TF cares? The leaking itself is the issue.
This is all so obvious and self-evident...so clearly you are race baiting AGAIN.
Please stop doing that.
Utter balderdash.
EVERYONE thinks it's a bigger issue at the southern border, not just Republican talking heads. You're race baiting so you needed to pretend like it's only an issue for the right.
That's garbage...but I am now ready for your spin. Proceed.
Was his wording off or are you just looking for a reason to be offended? You assumed words that he didn't type. You assumed the worst due to his political leanings.
You were looking for a reason to be offended and you thought you found one.
...and some how that was @fsumc 's fault.
You are all over the place with this hard core right nonsense. I never defended the democrats at all in regards to immigration. So stop talking out your ass. Saying Bush got re-elected means nothing to your argument. People will vote party no matter what. We literally just seen that with Trump. You claim to not be a fan of Trump but you damn sure voted for him. Plenty of democrats voted for Biden and wasn't a fan, so that point means nothing. You tend to add pointless points.
I never said anything baseless. You still added zero defense. Just an angry rant. If you claim to be for immigration, why is the southern boarder the only focus when there are immigration issues everywhere else as well?
I have a theory and it's not based on race. It was started on TV by a prominent republican who wrote a book about it. He was all about creating a boogie man. Each side needs a boogie man to get out to vote. It's easier to be mad at one area then every area. The beauty of politicians controlling us. There are so many terms that we use now that got us, white privilege, chain migration, etc.
Awwwww!!!! Makes it seem like human trafficking isn't that bad!
This is almost as bad as the dems trying to play the 'they are just misunderstood' card about pedophiles.
Dems live to do two things:
1 - Turn criminals into heroes
2 - Turn law-abiding citizens into criminals
Their goal is to normalize all the crimes they are profiting off of.
When the data doesn’t back up your bs change the meaning. Dude, has got to have huge biceps lifting the goal post as much as he does.
You can always tell when we've hit on a conversation the dems here want no part of. They deflect.
@kalimgoodman uses race-baiting
@BSC911 uses personal attacks
@Mdfgator blames Trump
All three doing the same thing, trying to shift attention away from whatever topic you brought up that hurt their feelings.
1 - Abortion isn't murder, it's healthcare!
2 - Pedophilia isn't molestation, it's love between two people and NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS!
3 - Human trafficking isn't kidnapping someone (often children) and then selling them into slavery or drug-running, it's helping children be reunited with their loving family!
Dems are trash.
Talk about all over the place. The fact that you keep equating the two borders and pretend data doesn’t exist showing how much worse one is over the other is another failed attempt to defend Democrat policy of open borders. Color me shocked.
“Republicans hate people of the southern border… y’all need to stop making this a race issue..” LOL You can’t even keep up with your own bs LOL.
You should trace back when the southern border enforcement and crossing into the US became more prominent. You might discover something really uncomfortable about the party you continue to defend.
Data doesn't back up that the northern border and over stayed visas are a problem too? I have Data, I just want to see you make a fool of yourself.
That's not what he said, Deflecto-Lad. He said the data shows the illegal immigration on the Southern border is a much more serious problem. Which everyone knows is the case, including you.
Race-baiting from blm and antifa is a problem
Race-baiting from trash dems on message boards is a problem
Both are problems. We allocate resources to the much bigger problem.
You're just pissed that we are focusing on dems helping to facilitate drug-runners, murderers and human traffickers into the country illegally, if they think they can also catch a few more votes in the process.
Keep shifting the goal posts. No one is falling for it. If data showed the northern border was on par with the southern border you and all your Democrat friends would have been screaming about it for years.
But wait… you also said there’s no way to tell if the south is worse than the north. So which is it? Do you have data making the two comparable or do you just “feel” it is because the data doesn’t exist?
...ahem..
Baseless was your MO ITT. That's not true...race baiting was the MO. Baseless crap was merely a tactic towards that end.
He's just generally FOS and throwing some of it against the wall to see if some will stick.
I absolutely have. I can type crap in this box. I cannot force you to read or comprehend it. Read it again...or not. I'm good either way.
I am for LEGAL immigration. Big fan actually. Are we having the largest illegal immigration issues from our northern or southern border? More BS from you...it's just non-stop.
I'm wasting my time.
...the point being that we don't really have an illegal immigration problem in the US?
If that's your point...😂🤣😂
If that isn't your point, then that paragraph had no point.
And I have data that crime occurs in suburbia. That doesn’t mean that crime isn't more of an issue in inner cities.
Stop with the double talking nonsense.
On the whole, Kalim has been very fair here. He acknowledges a significant problem on the southern wall, agrees that a wall, etc. should be built and that the dems are failing.
his question and ask, is whether we are being color blind in our desire to shut down the border or we look the other way when it is Canadians.
the answer needs to be shut it all down including overstayed visas. (Which is a bit different because they are not asking for citizenship). Agreed with Ghost that the problem is a fraction of the Southern Border.
this, policing, inflation and taxes is why the Dems are facing the prospect of being blown out in swing districts. They see the squad and recognize that Pelosi and Schumer are doing all in their power to be moderate, but one mis-step and Chuck gets primaried by AOC and his career is over identical to Joe Crowley and Elliott Engel and then all of these things become worse.
his question and ask, is whether we are being color blind in our desire to shut down the border or we look the other way when it is Canadians.
the answer needs to be shut it all down including overstayed visas. (Which is a bit different because they are not asking for citizenship). Agreed with Ghost that the problem is a fraction of the Southern Border.
this, policing, inflation and taxes is why the Dems are facing the prospect of being blown out in swing districts. They see the squad and recognize that Pelosi and Schumer are doing all in their power to be moderate, but one mis-step and Chuck gets primaried by AOC and his career is over identical to Joe Crowley and Elliott Engel and then all of these things become worse.
WTF? LOL yes he’s being really fair trying to equate the two borders by hemming and hawing between acknowledging the problem, equating the two borders, and denying the problem is that bad because of a Republican (a group he accuses of hating all the southern border races). Yes. Other than waffling on those positions and race baiting he’s been very fair.
What flavor jam do you prefer on your milquetoast?
Is he typing in some type of code that only you have the key to?
In one post he's pretending that the illegal immigration issues may be the same at both the northern and southern borders. After he gets called out on that ridiculous point he relents and admits that the issue at the northern border isn't the same. That's not being fair or reasonable. It was unadulterated BS.
I never blinked when I agreed that visa overstays were an issue. I never tried to spin otherwise. That was fair...and honest. I just didn't feel the need to lie or bullshit and he clearly did.
And race baiting, as he SO often does, is not what I would call "being fair." So, agree to disagree.
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