Chris Doering's take on the Gators & their Fans

[Jeff from Jax]

IDK

A win would be great, but I doubt it.
Don't think FanDuel's opinion means much.
https://247sports.com/college/flori...avorite-over-Utah-other-early-odds-187440845/

Returning production for Utah & Florida may be a more telling metric.

As we all know, all returning production is NOT equal. Napier is a new coach, with a new team, & a new system, trying to plug transfers into all the holes this Gator team has.

Gators (6-7 overall & 2-6 SEC) & had quit by the end of the regular season; were beaten by UCF in Gasprilla bowl, etc.

Utah, on the other hand, has a veteran coach, a veteran team, & a winning attitude !

Kyle Whittingham took over from Urban Meyer in 2005 & has been there ever since. Sadly, the only notable transfer I find listed for Utah is - Florida LB Mohamoud Diabate.

IMO, PAC12 not as good as SEC overall; when was the last time they had a team in CFP ? So the value of their returning production is debatable.

But we are talking about a game between the PAC 12 Champion & a Gator team that was in the SEC cellar.

Having a veteran team like Utah with a veteran coach & a winning attitude is very important in the 1st game of the season !

UF's Spring Game tells us -

1. We don't have a QB2 - Jack Miller showed nothing.
Napier so hung up on Miller that Carlos del Rio & Jalen Kitna never got a chance.
Carlos del Rio saw the writing on the wall & transferred, Kitna will probably be giving us the middle finger salute & be calling out AMF shortly !
If AR15 gets injured, we are screwed !
2. we have NO depth on the lines of scrimmage or anywhere else !

Utah, 10-4 overall; 9-1 PAC 12, the reigning Pac-12 champs, comes in at No. 58 in returning production.

Utah returns their starting QB1 & 71% of their offensive production along with 61% of their defensive production.
https://www.deseret.com/2022/2/8/22...r-utah-state-football-cougars-aggies-utes-fbs

Gator's returning production was calculated as of Feb 12 before the transfer of QB Emory Jones, & is now extremely inaccurate.

AR15 has physical talent - IF he stays healthy. The mental aspects of his game remain a mystery - his spring game in a non contact jersey doesn't prove anything !

On Feb 12th, when their returning production was calculated, Gators offense ranked 46th and returned 72% of its production from a year ago.
With Jones gone, returning offensive production down to 50% or less.

Jones Passing-
2,734 yds - 19 TD - 13 INT - 69.4 QBR

Jones Rushing -
143 attempts - 759 yds - 4 TDs

The defense, even worse; ranked just 99th by returning production, and it brings back just 58% from last season.

https://gatorswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/08/florida-football-returning-production-rankings-espn/

Only thing I see in Gator's favor is a big BHG stadium crowd & Sept 3rd in G'ville will be hot & humid !

Napier has never coached a game at the Power 5 level; Whittingham has coached hundreds.

I have to favor Utah.

 

[Gator Fever]

I saw it even somewhere. I think it's the Richardson effect or Utah would be slightly favored even on the road.

 

[Countygator1]

We have better players based on nfl draftability, but that doesn't mean we have the better team. Vegas tends to love the Gators, so I'm thinking pick em to -3 range.

 

[Jeff from Jax]

I saw it even somewhere. I think it's the Richardson effect or Utah would be slightly favored even on the road.

Fever,

You could be right !

Realistically, AR15 hasn't done enough in games to generate any sort of effect.

EDIT
"...Last season, Richardson showed both areas off, but excelled primarily on the ground, running for 401 yards and three touchdowns, while throwing for 529 yards, six touchdowns and five interceptions in just seven games of action."
https://www.si.com/college/florida/...da-gators-quarterbacks-2022-richardson-miller

Doubt that Whittingham & the Utes are shaking in their cleats.

BUT he is our best QB & I will be pulling for him & our Gators from the 1st snap against Utah.

Still a lot of time for him to get better & for the Gators to learn Napier's offense.
They will need to keep AR15 in a non-contact jersey for all of fall practice as there is NO QB2 to speak of.

Hope all the talk about Heisman & draft ranking doesn't go to the head of a 20 yr old caught driving over 100 MPH in a car that was part of his NIL package !

Cerebral Edema, swelling of the brain - from reading too many of your own press clippings - is usually fatal to your athletic career !

"...How much Richardson improves from his spot-duty showcase in 2021 and into a fully expanded role this year will be what likely makes or breaks the season on the offensive side of the football."

I will now revert to an Insta theme -
& say I fervently hope that Max Brown shows up & shows out !

 

[Gator Fever]

Fever,

You could be right !

Realistically, AR15 hasn't done enough in games to generate any sort of effect.

EDIT
"...Last season, Richardson showed both areas off, but excelled primarily on the ground, running for 401 yards and three touchdowns, while throwing for 529 yards, six touchdowns and five interceptions in just seven games of action."
https://www.si.com/college/florida/...da-gators-quarterbacks-2022-richardson-miller

Doubt that Whittingham & the Utes are shaking in their cleats.

BUT he is our best QB & I will be pulling for him & our Gators from the 1st snap against Utah.

Still a lot of time for him to get better & for the Gators to learn Napier's offense.
They will need to keep AR15 in a non-contact jersey for all of fall practice as there is NO QB2 to speak of.

Hope all the talk about Heisman & draft ranking doesn't go to the head of a 20 yr old caught driving over 100 MPH in a car that was part of his NIL package !

Cerebral Edema, swelling of the brain - from reading too many of your own press clippings - is usually fatal to your athletic career !

"...How much Richardson improves from his spot-duty showcase in 2021 and into a fully expanded role this year will be what likely makes or breaks the season on the offensive side of the football."

I will now revert to an Insta theme -
& say I fervently hope that Max Brown shows up & shows out !

I think he has to effect the betting lines a little. People from other SEC teams are worried about him after seeing those crazy plays and him being given the reigns now. Looking good in the spring game also.

 

[instaGATOR]

Jeff, I believe you are ignoring several key issues in the upcoming UF vs UU game.

Coaching: While both have over a .700 winning % in the last 4 years, Nappy's is better.
And before comparing their Conferences, look at UU's SoS in 2021.
Only 3 UU opponents were even in the Top 50, with only #15 SDSt in the Top 25, and Utah lost to SDSt. So UU had Zero Top 25 wins in 2021. Two 10-4 teams played for the LAC-12 Championship. 🙄

And before anyone brings up their close 45-48 loss to tOSU in the Rose Bowl, consider this:
24 tOSU ship players did not appear in the bowl game due to a combination of season-long injuries, transfers since the end of the regular season, recent injuries and NFL opt-outs.

Ohio State will reportedly be down 24 scholarship players in Rose Bowl - Sports Illustrated

It's due to a combination of season-long injuries, transfers since the end of the regular season, recent injuries and opt-outs.

www.si.com

Team Roster makeup from the last 5 recruit classes (2018-22) combined rankings average:
UF 12 - UU 35 (so the dog-poker prolly bets the farm on UF on that alone...) 😉

Gator Receivers size/speed vs Utah short/slow defenders.

Gator O&D lines are bigger and higher rated as individuals.

Gator 1-2 QB's not including QB-pp Kitna/Miller who will battle for #3 imo.
1. QB-dt Anthony Richardson 6-4 237 So - Starter
2. QB-dt Max Brown 6-3 200 Fr: (2021 HS MaxPrep stats)
Passing - 71.1% for 2,750 yds, 16.5 Ave, 41 TD's, 4 Ints, QBR 142.6
Rushing - 1,343 yds, 7.8 ypc, 20 TD's, 1 LPF
Total - 4,093 yds, 61 TD's, 5 Turnovers..... 😲

My conservative was Gators by 3, but that's not where my heart and mind are.....
JMOHO's of course, but the Gators should beat them by double digits.

 

[LizardGrad89]

IDK

A win would be great, but I doubt it.
Don't think FanDuel's opinion means much.
https://247sports.com/college/flori...avorite-over-Utah-other-early-odds-187440845/

Returning production for Utah & Florida may be a more telling metric.

As we all know, all returning production is NOT equal. Napier is a new coach, with a new team, & a new system, trying to plug transfers into all the holes this Gator team has.

Gators (6-7 overall & 2-6 SEC) & had quit by the end of the regular season; were beaten by UCF in Gasprilla bowl, etc.

Utah, on the other hand, has a veteran coach, a veteran team, & a winning attitude !

Kyle Whittingham took over from Urban Meyer in 2005 & has been there ever since. Sadly, the only notable transfer I find listed for Utah is - Florida LB Mohamoud Diabate.

IMO, PAC12 not as good as SEC overall; when was the last time they had a team in CFP ? So the value of their returning production is debatable.

But we are talking about a game between the PAC 12 Champion & a Gator team that was in the SEC cellar.

Having a veteran team like Utah with a veteran coach & a winning attitude is very important in the 1st game of the season !

UF's Spring Game tells us -

1. We don't have a QB2 - Jack Miller showed nothing.
Napier so hung up on Miller that Carlos del Rio & Jalen Kitna never got a chance.
Carlos del Rio saw the writing on the wall & transferred, Kitna will probably be giving us the middle finger salute & be calling out AMF shortly !
If AR15 gets injured, we are screwed !
2. we have NO depth on the lines of scrimmage or anywhere else !

Utah, 10-4 overall; 9-1 PAC 12, the reigning Pac-12 champs, comes in at No. 58 in returning production.

Utah returns their starting QB1 & 71% of their offensive production along with 61% of their defensive production.
https://www.deseret.com/2022/2/8/22...r-utah-state-football-cougars-aggies-utes-fbs

Gator's returning production was calculated as of Feb 12 before the transfer of QB Emory Jones, & is now extremely inaccurate.

AR15 has physical talent - IF he stays healthy. The mental aspects of his game remain a mystery - his spring game in a non contact jersey doesn't prove anything !

On Feb 12th, when their returning production was calculated, Gators offense ranked 46th and returned 72% of its production from a year ago.
With Jones gone, returning offensive production down to 50% or less.

Jones Passing-
2,734 yds - 19 TD - 13 INT - 69.4 QBR

Jones Rushing -
143 attempts - 759 yds - 4 TDs

The defense, even worse; ranked just 99th by returning production, and it brings back just 58% from last season.

https://gatorswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/08/florida-football-returning-production-rankings-espn/

Only thing I see in Gator's favor is a big BHG stadium crowd & Sept 3rd in G'ville will be hot & humid !

Napier has never coached a game at the Power 5 level; Whittingham has coached hundreds.

I have to favor Utah.

I want to see a defense that swarms the ball and beats the hell out of people (legally). GIve me that and I like our chances. Even if we lose, I think it will be a pretty good season.

 

[Jeff from Jax]

BetOnLine & DraftKings - Gators -1.5
FanDuel - Gators +1.5

Gators at home, but there are too many holes in their roster.

If AR15 goes down, they will invoke the mercy rule.

Odds listed 3 1/2 months before the season opener, don't mean much but BetOnline currently has UF a 1.5-point underdog to Utah while the line at FanDuel has gone down a point.

Kyle Whittingham has been the head football coach at the University of Utah, since 2004 & won the PAC 12 last year; Napier has never coached a Power Five game.

I favor Utah

https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/football/ncaa
https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/football?tab=ncaaf
https://sportsbooksonline.com/draftkings-sportsbook

 

[Nicktheslick]

BetOnLine & DraftKings - Gators -1.5
FanDuel - Gators +1.5

Gators at home, but there are too many holes in their roster.

If AR15 goes down, they will invoke the mercy rule.

Odds listed 3 1/2 months before the season opener, don't mean much but BetOnline currently has UF a 1.5-point underdog to Utah while the line at FanDuel has gone down a point.

Kyle Whittingham has been the head football coach at the University of Utah, since 2004 & won the PAC 12 last year; Napier has never coached a Power Five game.

I favor Utah

https://www.betonline.ag/sportsbook/football/ncaa
https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/football?tab=ncaaf
https://sportsbooksonline.com/draftkings-sportsbook

I don’t

 

[Jeff from Jax]

Updates by ESPN analyst Bill Connelly to his Returning Production; Gators now ranked 100 out of 131 teams. Loss of QB Emery Jones, running backs Dameon Pierce and Malik Davis and wide receiver Jacob Copeland.

Gain of Arizona State receiver transfer Ricky Pearsall, who adds a very significant chunk of production. He racked up 48 catches for 580 yards and 4 TDs.

Usual caveats apply; all returning production not the same; etc.

Returning Production for Florida & UF's 2022 FBS Opponents
https://247sports.com/college/flori...nationally-in-returning-production-188109964/

3. USF (85%)
17. Florida State (78%)
19. Tennessee (76%)
24. South Carolina (73%)
46. Kentucky (68%)
49. Utah (67%)
51. Vanderbilt (67%)
55. Missouri (66%)
70. LSU (64%)
89. Georgia (59%)
98. Texas A&M (56%)
100. Florida (55%)

But when I look at the above list & see what Tenn, S Car, KY, Utah, LSU, UGA, & aTm bring back & who I favor in these games, I do see a correlation.

 

[Gator Fever]

Updates by ESPN analyst Bill Connelly to his Returning Production; Gators now ranked 100 out of 131 teams. Loss of QB Emery Jones, running backs Dameon Pierce and Malik Davis and wide receiver Jacob Copeland.

Gain of Arizona State receiver transfer Ricky Pearsall, who adds a very significant chunk of production. He racked up 48 catches for 580 yards and 4 TDs.

Usual caveats apply; all returning production not the same; etc.

Returning Production for Florida & UF's 2022 FBS Opponents
https://247sports.com/college/flori...nationally-in-returning-production-188109964/

3. USF (85%)
17. Florida State (78%)
19. Tennessee (76%)
24. South Carolina (73%)
46. Kentucky (68%)
49. Utah (67%)
51. Vanderbilt (67%)
55. Missouri (66%)
70. LSU (64%)
89. Georgia (59%)
98. Texas A&M (56%)
100. Florida (55%)

But when I look at the above list & see what Tenn, S Car, KY, Utah, LSU, UGA, & aTm bring back & who I favor in these games, I do see a correlation.

The East isn't easy this year but I think that returning production stat doesn't matter much in our case. The O line should be alright and having Richardson at QB hopefully renders that stat meaningless in our case.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Updates by ESPN analyst Bill Connelly to his Returning Production; Gators now ranked 100 out of 131 teams. Loss of QB Emery Jones, running backs Dameon Pierce and Malik Davis and wide receiver Jacob Copeland.

Gain of Arizona State receiver transfer Ricky Pearsall, who adds a very significant chunk of production. He racked up 48 catches for 580 yards and 4 TDs.

Usual caveats apply; all returning production not the same; etc.

Returning Production for Florida & UF's 2022 FBS Opponents
https://247sports.com/college/flori...nationally-in-returning-production-188109964/

3. USF (85%)
17. Florida State (78%)
19. Tennessee (76%)
24. South Carolina (73%)
46. Kentucky (68%)
49. Utah (67%)
51. Vanderbilt (67%)
55. Missouri (66%)
70. LSU (64%)
89. Georgia (59%)
98. Texas A&M (56%)
100. Florida (55%)

But when I look at the above list & see what Tenn, S Car, KY, Utah, LSU, UGA, & aTm bring back & who I favor in these games, I do see a correlation.

Is returning production important if the producers weren't producing very much?

 

[fsu939913]

Gators will have the better athletes, Utah players are way more immersed in their system/culture. They know who they are. It wouldn't surprise me either way but I think the UF athletes will take over late. Gators 27 Utah 20

 

[fsu939913]

Updates by ESPN analyst Bill Connelly to his Returning Production; Gators now ranked 100 out of 131 teams. Loss of QB Emery Jones, running backs Dameon Pierce and Malik Davis and wide receiver Jacob Copeland.

Gain of Arizona State receiver transfer Ricky Pearsall, who adds a very significant chunk of production. He racked up 48 catches for 580 yards and 4 TDs.

Usual caveats apply; all returning production not the same; etc.

Returning Production for Florida & UF's 2022 FBS Opponents
https://247sports.com/college/flori...nationally-in-returning-production-188109964/

3. USF (85%)
17. Florida State (78%)
19. Tennessee (76%)
24. South Carolina (73%)
46. Kentucky (68%)
49. Utah (67%)
51. Vanderbilt (67%)
55. Missouri (66%)
70. LSU (64%)
89. Georgia (59%)
98. Texas A&M (56%)
100. Florida (55%)

But when I look at the above list & see what Tenn, S Car, KY, Utah, LSU, UGA, & aTm bring back & who I favor in these games, I do see a correlation.

We have a ton of returning production, this will be our most experienced team in a long time. They aren't that talented, but they will know what to do. I think our floor will be raised because of that but we won't be a good team.

 

[Jeff from Jax]

Is returning production important if the producers weren't producing very much?

LG89,

Agree that there can be many flaws with using returning production as a way to evaluate teams & predict the outcome of games.

I also agree that the transfer portal can sometimes overcome some of the flaws a team may have.

Mullen brought in 3 DTs last year - how good were they? We brought in a transfer QB from tOSU. After watching the Orange & Blue game, how does he look to you ?

I see returning production as a more objective (rather than subjective) means of analyzing teams before the season. Like any analysis, it has flaws & doesn't always work out.

 

[Jeff from Jax]

The East isn't easy this year but I think that returning production stat doesn't matter much in our case. The O line should be alright and having Richardson at QB hopefully renders that stat meaningless in our case.

Fever,

Every year for the last 3 years, we have talked about better OL play but have never gotten it.

But hope springs eternal ! Maybe this year it will actually happen.

AR15 has the curse of potential.
Shows physical talent for stretches in some games but doesn't win them - lack of mental focus; Injury prone !

If he goes down they will likely invoke the mercy rule. No QB2 capable of stepping up & running the offense

 

[Gator Fever]

Fever,

Every year for the last 3 years, we have talked about better OL play but have never gotten it.

But hope springs eternal ! Maybe this year it will actually happen.

AR15 has the curse of potential.
Shows physical talent for stretches in some games but doesn't win them - lack of mental focus; Injury prone !

If he goes down they will likely invoke the mercy rule. No QB2 capable of stepping up & running the offense

O line will be pretty experienced at least.

You never know but I think that was Mullen not giving him the reps he needed and then he was just not ready for Georgia.

 

[instaGATOR]

Returning production falls to this, the 4 year conbined average recruit ratings:
UF 12 - UU 35 (so the dog-poker prolly bets the farm on UF on that alone...) 😉

I've already written Miller off as the #2 for 2022:
2. QB-dt Max Brown 6-3 200 Fr: (2021 HS MaxPrep stats)
Passing - 71.1% for 2,750 yds, 16.5 Ave, 41 TD's, 4 Ints, QBR 142.6
Rushing - 1,343 yds, 7.8 ypc, 20 TD's, 1 LPF
Total - 4,093 yds, 61 TD's, 5 Turnovers..... 😲
IF AR-15 blows up or gets injured, Max could end up the starter....
And if ole Nappy doesn't put in the Fall practice time with him, then shame on Nappy.... 🤓

What the heck is all of this whining about the 2022 OL???

ST Richard Gouraige 6-5 310 rsJr - 2021 stater
LG Ethan White 6-5 334 Jr - 2021 starter
OC Kingsley Equakun 6-4 305 rsSo - 2021 starter
RG O'Cyrus Torrence 6-5 335 Jr - All Sun Belt 1st Team
And part of the offense line that earned B-2-B Joe Moore Award Semifinalist honors...
RT Michael Tarquin 6-5 301 rsSo - Started 2 of 12 Gms he appeared in at LT & RT.

OG/OT Will Harrod 6-5 333 rsSo - Has appeared in 18 games.
OG/OT Josh Braun 6-6 357 So - Started in seven of the 13 games he appeared in at LG & RG. Helped the offense stay in the top-16 in total offense all year. Part of a line that only allowed 14 sacks/1.08 per game, tied for the 7th lowest in FBS and 2nd in the SEC
OG/OT Kamryn Waites 6-8 358 rsFr - 3 Fr Gms at ULL, 2 in post season.
And a host of other OL that could step up in Fall practice, so we'll see....
PLUS -- They now have 2 OL coaches to coach them up!

Should I throw in the 5 RB's on the 2022 roster, 2 ***** & 3 ****....

 

[sadgator]

Only thing I see in Gator's favor is a big BHG stadium crowd & Sept 3rd in G'ville will be hot & humid !

First of all…if there was ever a team that needed a total roster overhaul…it was Florida.

Second…it will be like 1000 degrees during that game…even at 7 pm…

If you can get Florida +1.5 in Napier’s first home game…that is probably a good bet.

 

[Gator Fever]

Returning production falls to this, the 4 year conbined average recruit ratings:
UF 12 - UU 35 (so the dog-poker prolly bets the farm on UF on that alone...) 😉

I've already written Miller off as the #2 for 2022:
2. QB-dt Max Brown 6-3 200 Fr: (2021 HS MaxPrep stats)
Passing - 71.1% for 2,750 yds, 16.5 Ave, 41 TD's, 4 Ints, QBR 142.6
Rushing - 1,343 yds, 7.8 ypc, 20 TD's, 1 LPF
Total - 4,093 yds, 61 TD's, 5 Turnovers..... 😲
IF AR-15 blows up or gets injured, Max could end up the starter....
And if ole Nappy doesn't put in the Fall practice time with him, then shame on Nappy.... 🤓

What the heck is all of this whining about the 2022 OL???

ST Richard Gouraige 6-5 310 rsJr - 2021 stater
LG Ethan White 6-5 334 Jr - 2021 starter
OC Kingsley Equakun 6-4 305 rsSo - 2021 starter
RG O'Cyrus Torrence 6-5 335 Jr - All Sun Belt 1st Team
And part of the offense line that earned B-2-B Joe Moore Award Semifinalist honors...
RT Michael Tarquin 6-5 301 rsSo - Started 2 of 12 Gms he appeared in at LT & RT.

OG/OT Will Harrod 6-5 333 rsSo - Has appeared in 18 games.
OG/OT Josh Braun 6-6 357 So - Started in seven of the 13 games he appeared in at LG & RG. Helped the offense stay in the top-16 in total offense all year. Part of a line that only allowed 14 sacks/1.08 per game, tied for the 7th lowest in FBS and 2nd in the SEC
OG/OT Kamryn Waites 6-8 358 rsFr - 3 Fr Gms at ULL, 2 in post season.
And a host of other OL that could step up in Fall practice, so we'll see....
PLUS -- They now have 2 OL coaches to coach them up!

Should I throw in the 5 RB's on the 2022 roster, 2 ***** & 3 ****....

I wouldn't write Miller off from being the #2 QB just because of the bad spring game.

 

[Gator Fever]

First of all…if there was ever a team that needed a total roster overhaul…it was Florida.

Second…it will be like 1000 degrees during that game…even at 7 pm…

If you can get Florida +1.5 in Napier’s first home game…that is probably a good bet.

Looking at it again I think this team has some players and if the QB is a good SEC QB we will be a dangerous team. I think the skill players are good enough if we get elevated QB play. The lack of good depth on the D line is worrisome though as that could be a killer with injuries.

Utah also catches a break getting all that time to prepare for Richardson.

 

[LizardGrad89]

LG89,

Agree that there can be many flaws with using returning production as a way to evaluate teams & predict the outcome of games.

I also agree that the transfer portal can sometimes overcome some of the flaws a team may have.

Mullen brought in 3 DTs last year - how good were they? We brought in a transfer QB from tOSU. After watching the Orange & Blue game, how does he look to you ?

I see returning production as a more objective (rather than subjective) means of analyzing teams before the season. Like any analysis, it has flaws & doesn't always work out.

I was trying to build an argument, and must say I was shocked to discover we had the 15th ranked offense last year, even after firing Dan and having stumblebums coach us the last couple of games. Honest to God, if Dan could recruit (and wasn't such an oddball) he could be one of the all-time great coaches.

So ok, I agree, we lost significant production. The offense will almost certainly take a step back. Still, if we even try a little bit on defense this year I think we will be better.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Looking at it again I think this team has some players and if the QB is a good SEC QB we will be a dangerous team. I think the skill players are good enough if we get elevated QB play. The lack of good depth on the D line is worrisome though as that could be a killer with injuries.

Utah also catches a break getting all that time to prepare for Richardson.

I wonder at the Utah talent level. Experienced, yes, play as a unit, yes, but most teams prepare for a player by having a player of similar size and speed try to replicate the plays. How do you do that if you don't have anybody as big and fast as Richardson? Understand, I'm not saying Utah has nobody that can mimic him. I don't know what they have, and that's why I wonder at their talent level.

I remember Richardson's first couple of games, where he just out-athleted our non-SEC opponents. Can he do that to the Utes? A couple of QB draws that go 80 yards for a TD would really change the game.

 

[instaGATOR]

I wouldn't write Miller off from being the #2 QB just because of the bad spring game.

Can I write him off going by his HS stats, and his 7 of 14 at tOSU?

I looked at Max and made a straight up comparison before writing off Miller, so you take a look at this and then get back to me....

QBdt Max Brown - HUDL BIO & Highlights

Height & Weight:
6'3" 200lbs
Bench:
210
Squat (lbs):
495
Clean (lbs):
235
https://www.hudl.com/profile/14463319/Max-Brown

Sr Season Highlights

 

[LizardGrad89]

Can I write him off going by his HS stats, and his 7 of 14 at tOSU?

I looked at Max and made a straight up comparison before writing off Miller, so you take a look at this and then get back to me....

QBdt Max Brown - HUDL BIO & Highlights

Height & Weight:
6'3" 200lbs
Bench:
210
Squat (lbs):
495
Clean (lbs):
235
https://www.hudl.com/profile/14463319/Max-Brown

Sr Season Highlights

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Why Insta, I'm surprised, it sounds to me like you are second guessing the coaching staff. I thought your mantra was the coaches always knew best and the rest of us should just shut up. Or was that just everybody except you?

Good Glory, you make me laugh.

 

[fsu939913]

Why Insta, I'm surprised, it sounds to me like you are second guessing the coaching staff. I thought your mantra was the coaches always knew best and the rest of us should just shut up. Or was that just everybody except you?

Good Glory, you make me laugh.

To be fair, insta has been correct on the Quarterbacks at UF the last 7 or 8 years it seems.

 

[instaGATOR]

Little Loopy Lizzy is just giving his usual useful content to the thread....

 

[Gator Fever]

To be fair, insta has been correct on the Quarterbacks at UF the last 7 or 8 years it seems.

You mean on who the coach would start? He did nail Trask but trying to remember how much he defended all that Driskeling we saw under Muschamp.

 

[instaGATOR]

To be fair, insta has been correct on the Quarterbacks at UF the last 7 or 8 years it seems.

Feveredbrains, Driskel's problems stemmed from coaching decisions and dropped ball receivers.
After escaping the cluster at UF, he had a great Sr season at LaTech, then he was drafted by the 49'ers. He's no Tom Brady, but he's still making a living as an NFL Texans QB.
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It goes back much further than that f-13, I wanted Matthews over Kyle Morris, and Wuerffel over Dean. And I was a Wayne Peace supporter a decade before them. I began my watching of the UF QB's when SOS was the starter... (but nobody is right every time)

As with any and every fan, coaching decision support or non-support, is on a case by case basis. Everyone knows that I gave McLame chit over his xfer QB decisions, just like I gave Dan chit over his Franks/Trask choices. LLL would know that too if he didn't constantly have his head in that warm dark place where he usually keeps it. Enough time wasted on LLL's drivel.
Moving right along....
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In 2021, QB Arch Manning 6-2 170 ***** threw for:
1,947 yds, 61.8%, 26 TD's to only 4 int's... -- for a 6.5 to 1 TD/Int Ratio
=== HS Stats are per MaxPreps ===
In 2021, QB Max Brown 6-3 200 *** threw for:
2,750 yds, 71.1%, 41 TD's to only 4 Int's... -- for a 10.3 to 1 TD/Int Ratio

The passing alone puts Max way ahead of Arch imo, but then look at what Max did on the ground while putting up those sterling 71.1% numbers passing:
Rushing - 173 for 1,343 yds, 7.8 ypc, 20 TD's, 1 LPF (those are 4-5-star RB numbers)
>>> Only 1 LPF on 173 carries.... 😲

And what does QB performance largely depend on? Ans - OL
I guess if they weren't all Fr and So's, the Gator QB might have a chance.... 🙄

LT Gouraige rsJr, LG White Jr, OC Eguakun rsSo and RT Tarquin rsSo have 107 combined career appearances with 52 combined starts, while the new xfer RG Torrence Jr was a SB Conf. 1st Team selection, on the Outland Trophy watch list, with 23 Fr/So starts. New combined OL starts total is 75....

The projected starters at WR, TE, and RB have the same kind of class spread.
But they should sort themselves out by talent/production, not by class....
Some talented FR on both sides of the ball routinely beat out upperclassmen and start at UF.

 

[Countygator1]

Curious to see if Brown will have a legit shot at the backup.

 

[fsu939913]

You mean on who the coach would start? He did nail Trask but trying to remember how much he defended all that Driskeling we saw under Muschamp.

He nailed Trask and AR. I know he called both of those. I remember he commented on the coaching for Driskel

 

[Gator Fever]

He nailed Trask and AR. I know he called both of those. I remember he commented on the coaching for Driskel

I thought Insta was ragging us for saying Jones needed to be replaced.

 

[fsu939913]

I thought Insta was ragging us for saying Jones needed to be replaced.

I think he said he would have went with AR but trusted the coaches or something like that. I knew he was high on AR, I specifically remember him saying that AR was the best QB on the roster before the season started.

 

[instaGATOR]

I was on AR starting when AR was still a Jr in HS.
And I said that I was happy that UF got 4-star AR,,,,
while UGly got 5-star liar/loser scumbag Carson Beck.

Gator staff almost 'screwed the pooch' when they went after Beck and almost lost AR. That was pissin' me off big time!

 

[instaGATOR]

I thought Insta was ragging us for saying Jones needed to be replaced.

1st year as starter Jones needed to be given his shot at the job after being loyal, and I don't think that AR was ready to start as a tFr, but needed to still get some playing time.

Just like if Brown comes in, in Fall practice, and looks great, I'd still give AR his shot at the starter job, while getting Max some playing time.

But if something terrible happened to AR, on or off the field in the early season, I wouldn't waste any time on Miller but would go with Max....

Discuss.....

 

[Gator Fever]

1st year as starter Jones needed to be given his shot at the job after being loyal, and I don't think that AR was ready to start as a tFr, but needed to still get some playing time.

Just like if Brown comes in, in Fall practice, and looks great, I'd still give AR his shot at the starter job, while getting Max some playing time.

But is something terrible happened to AR, on or off the field in the early season, I wouldn't waste any time on Miller but would go with Max....

Discuss.....

I guess we will see what happens if it becomes Miller time soon. I hope AR can stay healthy as he is probably the best option right now by far.

 

[Jeff from Jax]

Gator's 2022 Schedule
https://floridagators.com/sports/football/schedule/2022

Athlon's Preseason Top 25
https://247sports.com/college/flori...eseason-top-25-rankings-188177486/#1901737_19

SI Power Rankings
https://www.si.com/fannation/colleg...rankings#gid=ci02a041dde0002718&pid=2-georgia

ESPN
https://www.si.com/fannation/colleg...ball-rankings-espn-top-25-2022-preseason-poll
USA Today
https://ugawire.usatoday.com/lists/usa-todays-early-2022-preseason-college-football-rankings/

Realize Preseason Rankings are a crapshoot, but they won't be wrong on all of them.

Three opponents - Utah, UGA, & ATM highly ranked by all four preseason polls; Gators underdogs in all three games

UK Wildcats at home - a tough challenge
Vols - on the road - who knows ?

Gators - unranked Athlon, SI, & USA - #18 in ESPN

September a difficult month for Gators - new coach, many holes in roster, 3 tough games. Only good point 1st three games at home in BHG Stadium.
I see Utah as a loss, USF as a win, & UK & UT as toss ups.
Gators could be 1-3 at end of Sept.

ATH - SI - ESPN - USA Today
#8 - #8 - #14 - #7 - Utah - home - Sept 3
#21 - NR - #21 - NR - UK Wildcats - home - Sept 10
#18 - NR-#9 -NR - UT Vols - Knoxville - Sept 24
#3 - #2 - #2 - #3 - UGA - WLOCP in Jax - Oct 29
#5 - #5 - #6 - #5 - Texas A&M - College Station - Nov 5

 

[instaGATOR]

Late Kick Blitz: Florida has virtually no chance to win the SEC East in 2022.
By SAM MARSDALE - Tue May 31 2022

We are just under three months away from the start of the college football season, and top 25 rankings are rolling in. The latest comes from Athlon Sports, which sees the SEC and Pac-12 land three teams each in the top 10. (but the Gators are nowhere to be found in Athlon's Top 25)
At #18, ESPN has it a lot closer to correct imo. While Athlon #8 UU is a joke...

That's it, UF can call off their 2022 football season already, because some media-moron has spoken....

https://247sports.com/college/flori...reseason-top-25-rankings-188177486/#1901727_9
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Trivia Notes:
#12 ULL played 2 Top 50 teams in the regular season going 2-0 against them, and finished at 13-1
Worst loss was @ #52 Tx by 20 Pts (18-38)
They beat #34 10-4 AppSt for the Sun Belt Championship.

#23 UU played 3 Top 50 teams in the regular season going 1-2 against therm, and finished at 10-4
Worst loss was @ #65 OreSt by 8 Pts (34-42))
They beat #36 10-4 Ore for the LAC12 Campionship.

Neither of them got a win vs a Top 25 team....
ULL didn't play a Top 25 team, while UU lost to #15 SDSt.

 

[LizardGrad89]

I think he said he would have went with AR but trusted the coaches or something like that. I knew he was high on AR, I specifically remember him saying that AR was the best QB on the roster before the season started.

You have to remember that he changes more than the wind on a spring day. The only constant is he calls you names if you disagree with his position at any given moment.

I DISTINCTLY remember telling him that Emory Jones was an untested commodity and it was a bad idea to anoint him the next superstar before he had the ball in his hands during the big moments in the game, and that when people were studying his game film it would make a difference. I was told that I am an idiot for doubting Jones or ever questioning the completely perfect coaching staff. Did he jump to AR? Guess he "forgot" how hard he was riding Jones in the preseason.

Here's what we KNOW about Insta. He's a blowhard and an idiot. But even a broken clock is right twice a day, and that's what happened with him backing Trask. Blind hog found an acorn.

 

[instaGATOR]

All that Little Loopy Lizzy is good for is a belly laugh now and then.

But he has a very refined 'selective memory' when it comes to anything, but even more so when it come to the iG, who has owned his dumbazz repeatedly here.

He's already been pretty much laughed out of the parking lot.... 🤣