Can Gators win a Nattie with a Game Manager at QB

[Jeff from Jax]

Saban & now Smart have done it.

At present, we seem to be unable to close on 5* QBs & OTs.

Smart had the same problem until he won several SEC-E titles & made it to the SECCG.

This year, he took a supposed lemon - Stetson Bennett - & made lemonade. J T Daniels & his Heisman transfered to West Virginia.

Didn't get Arch, but he now has enough of a coaching resume to recruit top 5* QBs like Brock Vandagriff.

Can Napier & the Gators improve their Defense, OL, & Run Game enough to do the same ?

With advances by UGA, KY, & Tenn, SEC-E much harder now.

 

[Countygator1]

Dawgs did it with amazing defensive talent while bama loaded up everywhere else. We don't currently have the depth of talent to do that.

 

[Jeff from Jax]

Dawgs did it with amazing defensive talent while bama loaded up everywhere else. We don't currently have the depth of talent to do that.

Country,

Agree

I said that because we seem to have better luck closing defensive talent than QBs.

That will change, as it did for Smart, once Napier has some victories on his Gator resume.

 

[ih8f$u]

Saban & now Smart have done it.

At present, we seem to be unable to close on 5* QBs & OTs.

Smart had the same problem until he won several SEC-E titles & made it to the SECCG.

This year, he took a supposed lemon - Stetson Bennett - & made lemonade. J T Daniels & his Heisman transfered to West Virginia.

Didn't get Arch, but he now has enough of a coaching resume to recruit top 5* QBs like Brock Vandagriff.

Can Napier & the Gators improve their Defense, OL, & Run Game enough to do the same ?

With advances by UGA, KY, & Tenn, SEC-E much harder now.

If we ever get a schedule as easy as uga last year, we’ll absolutely be able to win. Our 2020 team would have been able to win a natty with their schedule last year. Hell, THEIR 2020 team would have won a natty with that schedule. Don’t attribute that to anything kirby did other than recruit. They were really good on defense but that team didn’t even when their league and needed a second shot against bama with half their team out with injuries. So that’s a fluke and you can’t really count on that ever happening. I would also say that bama’s game managers may not have been the most athletic guys but they got the ball where it needed to be and made the right decision. You can beat almost anyone when you have the kind of receivers and Rb’s alabama has and your QB doesn’t make a lot of mistakes.

 

[Gator Fever]

Saban & now Smart have done it.

At present, we seem to be unable to close on 5* QBs & OTs.

Smart had the same problem until he won several SEC-E titles & made it to the SECCG.

This year, he took a supposed lemon - Stetson Bennett - & made lemonade. J T Daniels & his Heisman transfered to West Virginia.

Didn't get Arch, but he now has enough of a coaching resume to recruit top 5* QBs like Brock Vandagriff.

Can Napier & the Gators improve their Defense, OL, & Run Game enough to do the same ?

With advances by UGA, KY, & Tenn, SEC-E much harder now.

Recent history says no on that and in our case even if AR-15 and the O line are up to the task this season history says we are probably short by not having 2 dominant starting DTs you need when a real good QB is carrying the offense.

 

[Gator Fever]

If we ever get a schedule as easy as uga last year, we’ll absolutely be able to win. Our 2020 team would have been able to win a natty with their schedule last year. Hell, THEIR 2020 team would have won a natty with that schedule. Don’t attribute that to anything kirby did other than recruit. They were really good on defense but that team didn’t even when their league and needed a second shot against bama with half their team out with injuries. So that’s a fluke and you can’t really count on that ever happening. I would also say that bama’s game managers may not have been the most athletic guys but they got the ball where it needed to be and made the right decision. You can beat almost anyone when you have the kind of receivers and Rb’s alabama has and your QB doesn’t make a lot of mistakes.

Disagree on that as Kirby tried to be slick in the SECCG on defense and it backfired big time but that defense handled Bama and everyone else playing it's normal style.

 

[ih8f$u]

Disagree on that as Kirby tried to be slick in the SECCG on defense and it backfired big time but that defense handled Bama and everyone else playing it's normal style.

Well, I think it’s part of kirby’s makeup to do stuff like that. That’s why last season was such a fluke. He got a second shot at alabama without three (at least) all Americans, and they were playing with them pretty well until that one receiver went down. Take away two all American receivers who were killing them when they were on the field and it gets a lot easier to beat them. But no one is going to claim that Stetson Bennett is anything but a game manager, so you can win with one. I just wouldn’t count on a once in history fluke like that.

 

[Gator Fever]

Well, I think it’s part of kirby’s makeup to do stuff like that. That’s why last season was such a fluke. He got a second shot at alabama without three (at least) all Americans, and they were playing with them pretty well until that one receiver went down. Take away two all American receivers who were killing them when they were on the field and it gets a lot easier to beat them. But no one is going to claim that Stetson Bennett is anything but a game manager, so you can win with one. I just wouldn’t count on a once in history fluke like that.

If I remember right me and someone else were on here saying that Georgia needed to win the SECCG or words to that effect because if Bama won Kirby might not screw up the next game with his decisions.

Yep Bennett isn't winning anything major without a top roster like that.

I just wish we had 2 dominant DTs this season so if AR-15 really shows out.

 

[instaGATOR]

Some called Wuerffel and Tebow system (game manager) QB's....

 

[sadgator]

sadgator is seriously wondering if Florida can even win a Natty with a non-game manager at QB….

 

[TennesseeGator]

At present, we seem to be unable to close on 5* QBs & OTs.

Smart had the same problem until he won several SEC-E titles & made it to the SECCG.

Didn't Smart come out of the gates with Jacob Eason and later Justin Fields? But he just couldn't bench the State Farm guy.

I know it didn't work out for him with those two but he closed out getting them.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Some called Wuerffel and Tebow system (game manager) QB's....

There is a difference between a system QB and a game manager. Tommy Frazier was a system QB. Jesse Palmer was more of a game manager. Tim Tebow was an exceptional athlete that ran a special system. Danny Wuerffel was an exceptional leader and mind running an exotic offense. Tommy Frazier, Charlie Ward at the time weren't NFL caliber but we're hell of QB's but Ken Dorsey wasn't an exceptional athlete but managed the game.

Difference between system QB's running a unique offense vs a game manager.

 

[Gator Fever]

Didn't Smart come out of the gates with Jacob Eason and later Justin Fields? But he just couldn't bench the State Farm guy.

I know it didn't work out for him with those two but he closed out getting them.

Yep I think Smart was dominating recruiting by his 2nd class.

 

[Countygator1]

sadgator is seriously wondering if Florida can even win a Natty with a non-game manager at QB….

It would appear you just need a recruiting machine for a coach....haven't seen that since Urban...

 

[instaGATOR]

Well, I can't get all worked up over any of it really, because it's just a game played by boys that has no real meaning or any real importance in the world at large...

With fish on the line, I can't get all worked up over the thousands of minnows swimming in the shallow weeds....

 

[gatorshime]

sadgator is seriously wondering if Florida can even win a Natty with a non-game manager at QB….

14 years ago we had talent and recruited at a top 10 level yearly. Now we don’t have the beef to beat the mid level SEC schools.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Yep I think Smart was dominating recruiting by his 2nd class.

Difference was he only had to outbid about 4 schools to buy the best talent.

 

[BigRedGator78]

Saban & now Smart have done it.

At present, we seem to be unable to close on 5* QBs & OTs.

Smart had the same problem until he won several SEC-E titles & made it to the SECCG.

This year, he took a supposed lemon - Stetson Bennett - & made lemonade. J T Daniels & his Heisman transfered to West Virginia.

Didn't get Arch, but he now has enough of a coaching resume to recruit top 5* QBs like Brock Vandagriff.

Can Napier & the Gators improve their Defense, OL, & Run Game enough to do the same ?

With advances by UGA, KY, & Tenn, SEC-E much harder now.

Both teams were loaded everywhere else. Without the supposed $3m expense of an elite qb, we could probably buy enough very good but not necessarily great players to be competitive but it would likely take some luck too. Would have to hit a couple gems, especially on defense.

 

[Jeff from Jax]

Difference was he only had to outbid about 4 schools to buy the best talent.

LG89.

Agree,

Number of schools throwing big money around has increased Exponentially !

 

[instaGATOR]

Win at 'Any Cost Fans,' along with greedy Socialist-U Pres. / NCAA, and the no-student/ATHLETES, got you to an NIL & Portal semi-Pro football CLUSTER to replace amateur college football.

I'll just assume that everybody is HAPPY now, and let it go at that.....

 

[Gator Fever]

Win at 'Any Cost Fans,' along with greedy Socialist-U Pres. / NCAA, and the no-student/ATHLETES, got you to an NIL & Portal semi-Pro football CLUSTER to replace amateur college football.

I'll just assume that everybody is HAPPY now, and let it go at that.....

I am not happy because I don't have the cash to sway any of these top recruits to come to UF.

 

[instaGATOR]

What's the Value/Cost ratio for something as insignificant as what used to be college football?

To me, it's now HIGH COST to relatively little value, but each to his/her own....

 

[Nicktheslick]

I am not happy because I don't have the cash to sway any of these top recruits to come to UF.

If I had the cash it would NOT be donated for NIL. It would be donated for scholarships or facility upgrades. Sorry that’s just how I feel about it.

 

[Gator Fever]

If I had the cash it would NOT be donated for NIL. It would be donated for scholarships or facility upgrades. Sorry that’s just how I feel about it.

Probably a mix for me with what is going on. Hate to see a situation long term where we can only compete for the SEC and/or national championship if we have one of the top QBs in the whole country (and that Trask situation might not happen again in our lifetime). I would try to be smart with the money though as some positions will pay off a lot more overall with lower NIL costs than some other positions.

 

[TennesseeGator]

I am not happy because I don't have the cash to sway any of these top recruits to come to UF.

Join the $9.99 per month portion of the Gator Collective. It might help us get a long snapper or holder. Those guys are important. 😆