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Mike takes over a 16 win loser team and goes to 21 wins with an NIT Quarter Final.
Are you saying that BillyD's final 16 win LOSER season was more impressive? (moe-ron)

Looks like the SEC is a whole lot tougher top to bottom that it was under Lon or BillyD.

Never a losing season in the SEC or Overall playing Top 10 SoS's, #1 SoS in the SEC.
Now list all of the other Gator B-Ball coaches that can say that.... (crickets)

You do realize Wade took over an LSU team that was 2-16 in SEC play and won the SEC in his 2nd season?

The Auburn and TN coaches also took over losing teams and turned them into SEC Champions while White was coaching non-championship teams at Florida.
 
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You do realize Wade took over an LSU team that was 2-16 in SEC play and won the SEC in his 2nd season?

The Auburn and TN coaches also took over losing teams and turned them into SEC Champions while White was coaching non-championship teams at Florida.

You do realize that Mike lost his center Egbunu to injury,? He never made it back.
You do realize that Mike then lost his center Gak to injury. He never made it back.
You do realize that Mike next lost his preseason PoY in the 4th game during the scamdemic, and we've yet to find out if he will ever make it back?
And there is a rather long list of others that have been lost to injury for games at a time, and some transferred out after their injuries, like PF Kieth Stone.
But of course, none of that would affect those other coaches, right?
And did any of those other coaches play a Top 10 SoS, or the #1 SoS in the SEC?
You're demonstrating your VI BS yet again....
 
Rationalizations and excuses are for losers. Bottom line is all that matters. Where are the SEC titles, regular season or SEC tournament? His teams are consistently inconsistent and we are not even close to being relevant at the national level anymore and are only marginally relevant in the SEC, as new hires have taken teams that were below us and turned them around very quickly. 6 years is plenty of time to win something.
 
You do realize that Mike lost his center Egbunu to injury,? He never made it back.
You do realize that Mike then lost his center Gak to injury. He never made it back.
You do realize that Mike next lost his preseason PoY in the 4th game during the scamdemic, and we've yet to find out if he will ever make it back?
And there is a rather long list of others that have been lost to injury for games at a time, and some transferred out after their injuries, like PF Kieth Stone.
But of course, none of that would affect those other coaches, right?
And did any of those other coaches play a Top 10 SoS, or the #1 SoS in the SEC?
You're demonstrating your VI BS yet again....
Billy Donovan lost 4 of his starters who went to 4 consecutive Elite 8 appearances and a Final Four to graduation yet you love to point out his losing season.
 
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Haters can be identified by their chronic understatements concerning coach White.
When your own chosen position is weak, this is a standard practice....

When you at least make the round of 32 every year, you are somewhere in the 17-32 range, not the 68 range.
There are currently 350 schools that are full members of 32 Division I basketball conferences.
And that puts you at the bare minimum of the Top 10%

IF a 32 finish, you're in the Top 9.1%

IF a 17 finish, you're in the Top 4.9%

Mike White's average finish is in the Top 7% in the entire nation.

Dumb. As usual.

Here's a list for you to peruse:

SWAC
MAC
MEAC
BIG SKY
MTN WEST
SUMMIT
SOUTHLAND
BIG SOUTH
BIG WEST
ASUN
CENTRAL
CAA
OVC
NEC
HORIZON
CUSA
SUN BELT
PATRIOT

Conferences full of small time colleges that are not looking to play with the big boys, Just going to the big dance is the reward for the best team in these conferences. Should we be impressed that Mike White manages to have UF be better than schools that aren't even trying to compete with us?

Look at it this way. Texas A&M was the worst ranked SEC team in the ESPN power rankings at 131.

The WAC has one team higher ranked than TAMU.
Sun Belt has 2
Summit has 1
SWAC has 0
Southland has 1
Patriot League has 1
Ohio Valley has 2
NEC has 0

I could go on.

Here's the reality. When looking at Mike White in comparison to teams WITH EQUIVALENT RESOURCES AND SUPPORT, he is at about the 50th percentile. Maybe as high as 60th. But this 90% garbage, you have to let it go. It's a false narrative.

But hey, what do you care, right? To you it's just "Socialist U". The only reason you are here is because you like to ARGUE. But then, we let Noles, Dwags, and other Gator Haters in here, so why not you as well? I told you to get gone, but I realize now that was unfair. You just need to be held to the same standard as other Gator Haters.
 
You do realize Wade took over an LSU team that was 2-16 in SEC play and won the SEC in his 2nd season?

The Auburn and TN coaches also took over losing teams and turned them into SEC Champions while White was coaching non-championship teams at Florida.
Are you seriously suggesting that you would prefer Bruce Pearl and his back yard bbq antics, Wade and his player payment plan, or Regular Season Rick to lead the Florida Basketball Program?
 
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Are you seriously suggesting that you would prefer Bruce Pearl and his back year bbq antics, Wade’s and his player payment plan, or Regular Season Rick to lead the Florida Basketball Program?
How the hell Wade remains employed is beyond me. Guy is dirty. Pearl's issues, outside of profuse sweating, were really minor. He's a really good coach. You nailed Rick Barnes, great during the season, lousy come tourney time.....
 
Florida basketball has been to 10 SEC tournament finals, winning it 4 times, all the wins under BD. We've won 7 regular season SEC titles, 6 under BD. Billy Donovan took Florida basketball out of mediocrity and into national prominence. The FACT is that Mike White had 1 season where Florida finished in the Top 20. That was his Elite 8 run in 2016-17, where we finished the season ranked #20. The other 5 years we didn't finish in the Top 25. The FACT is that he has been badly outrecruited by Leonard "The Loser" Hamilton and as bad an in-game coach as Hamilton is, FSU has owned Florida the last 6 years. The FACT is that White's teams in Gainesville have finished 8th, 2nd, 3rd, 8th, tied for 4th and 5th during the SEC regular season. The FACT is that while Kentucky didn't make the NCAA tourney this year, since White has been at UF they have won 3 SEC regular season titles, 4 SEC tournament titles, been to 4 Sweet 16's, 3 Elite 8's and a Final 4. The FACT is that Duke, who you also tried to compare Mike White's Florida teams to, since White has been in Gainesville, Duke has won 2 ACC Conference tournament titles, been to 4 Sweet 16's, 3 Elite 8's, a Final 4 and won 1 National Championship. The FACT is that under Mike White Florida basketball has returned to the mediocrity that we "enjoyed" prior to Billy Donovan. We see Nate Oats take Alabama to an SEC regular season tourney title AND an SEC tournament title in his 2nd year. There are examples all over the country where coaches come in and turn programs around very quickly. Mike White has had 6 years to win something and it just hasn't happened. Name me 1 other sport at THE University of Florida (besides women's basketball), where a coach has not won a championship of any kind in 6 years and I'll show you a coach who has been replaced or retired. And I'm not talking about a national title. That's icing on the cake. I'm talking about an SEC championship of any kind. But if you are satisfied with the low bar standard of just making the tournament where we are one of the Top 68 teams in the country, that's your choice. I just think the University of Florida has higher standards of excellence than that.
Look, sadgator probably ain’t the best person to be arguing that Mike White has had some awesome success here...sadgator has questions too...

but as demonstrated in your “facts,” holding him to some standard of reaching or winning a conference tourney title is a bit unfair (when we have done it 10 and 4 times respectively in our entire history)....

sadgator loves and respects Billy...and his success here will never be matched...but if you really digest some of the off-years, you’ll see he wasn’t some kind of deity...he had mediocre years too...

the point is...college basketball is a unique sport in terms of success measures...You can’t deny the fact that White has had a ton of odd shit to deal with, and the fact that he actually “almost” got this team to a Sweet Sixteen this year was nothing short of amazing in sadgator’s opinion...

The in-game coaching thing is a concern, but sadgator doesn’t see some rock star hire sitting there that could do much better...and when you are making the tournament each year that is a very positive thing that should not be taken for granted....

and let’s be fair...you say “top 64”...but we did win a game...so let’s change that to “top 32”...just to be accurate....
 
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Look, sadgator probably ain’t the best person to be arguing that Mike White has had some awesome success here...sadgator has questions too...

but as demonstrated in your “facts,” holding him to some standard of reaching or winning a conference tourney title is a bit unfair (when we have done it 10 and 4 times respectively in our entire history)....

sadgator loves and respects Billy...and his success here will never be matched...but if you really digest some of the off-years, you’ll see he wasn’t some kind of diety...he had mediocre years too...

the point is...college basketball is a unique sport in terms of success measures...You can’t deny the fact that White has had a ton of odd shit to deal with, and the fact that he actually “almost” got this team to a Sweet Sixteen this year was nothing short of amazing in sadgator’s opinion...

The in-game coaching thing is a concern, but sadgator doesn’t see some rock star hire sitting there that could do much better...and when you are making the tournament each year that is a very positive thing that should not be taken for granted....

and let’s be fair...you say “top 64”...but we did win a game...so let’s change that to “top 32”...just to be accurate....
Winning 1 game in the NCAA tournament does not make us one of the Top 32 teams in the country. It just means we were in the final 32 for the national championship. There's a difference. The Final polls take into consideration the entire year's body of work, not just how a team does in the tournament. For example, the year we made it to the Elite 8 under Mike White the Final rankings had us at #20, not in the Top 8. And that's a really low bar for THE University of Florida, just making the tourney. And my original post not only talked about making it to the conference tournament final, it included not winning a regular season SEC title and not even being in serious contention except for that 1 year. Plus only finishing the season ranked 1 time in 6 years (and that one year being #20), when some of those years we started the season ranked, a couple of times in the Top 15, I believe. And why should Mike White not be held to the same standards that other coaches at UF are held to? We fired 2 football coaches between Meyer and Mullen and we made the SEC title game in 2 of those "off" years, plus finished the season ranked in the Top 25 twice. Becky Burleigh is the only coach in UF soccer history, won a ton of SEC titles and a national championship and has even won 1 regular season SEC title, 2 conference tournaments, took her teams to 3 Sweet 16's and 1 Elite 8 since Mike White was hired. Yet she resigned because the program has stagnated and done very little the last 4 years and a time for change had come. UF has, historically, forced coaches to move on if they have 5-6 years of not being an SEC challenger on a regular basis and being in the national rankings. Why should basketball be any different?
 
Mike White has had the UF basketball program finish in the top 25 just once in 6 years. And we haven’t competed for an SEC title or a SEC tourney title yet. That’s acceptable? Every other coach at UF would be fired if that is the best they can do in the sport they coach.
 
Rationalizations and excuses are for losers. Bottom line is all that matters. Where are the SEC titles, regular season or SEC tournament? His teams are consistently inconsistent and we are not even close to being relevant at the national level anymore and are only marginally relevant in the SEC, as new hires have taken teams that were below us and turned them around very quickly. 6 years is plenty of time to win something.

While ignoring FACTUAL information is for gormless 'entitled' fans/trolls.

BTW, whining and sniveling about titles is just using your own rationalizations and excuses for dissing on a very good coach. Apparently Mike White's many outstanding intangibles are irrelevant to those that ONLY want championships.

Win something?
How about a winning record vs the SEC.
How about a winning record vs Top 10 SoS's Overall.
How about never a losing season, SEC or Overall.
Making a post season Tourney every single year he's been at UF.
And never going One & Done in any Tourney.

>>> Now, give me some more of YOUR pouting excuses about how none of that is good enough for '2 NC's in their entire history,,,' UF.
 
While ignoring FACTUAL information is for gormless 'entitled' fans/trolls.

BTW, whining and sniveling about titles is just using your own rationalizations and excuses for dissing on a very good coach. Apparently Mike White's many outstanding intangibles are irrelevant to those that ONLY want championships.

Win something?
How about a winning record vs the SEC.
How about a winning record vs Top 10 SoS's Overall.
How about never a losing season, SEC or Overall.
Making a post season Tourney every single year he's been at UF.
And never going One & Done in any Tourney.

>>> Now, give me some more of YOUR pouting excuses about how none of that is good enough for '2 NC's in their entire history,,,' UF.
So if our baseball team, softball team, volleyball team, gymnastics team and every other sport at UF simply has a winning record each season, finishes 5th or so in the SEC, gets ranked 20th in the country 1 out of every 6 years and not ranked the rest, doesn't win an SEC title or a tournament title during that time, but does make the post season and wins 1 game or gets past the first round each season, that's fine - we all should praise those coaches? If that happened we would drop so far down in the Director's Cup standings it would be embarrassing. UF doesn't finish in the Top 7 in the Director's Cup standings every season by having our teams just have a 62% winning percentage and get to the 2nd round in the post season. The expectations are much, much higher and you know it. You're trying to defend the indefensible.
 
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Socialist-U is an Admin thing, along with a very few athletes. (disgusts me)
Coaches and the majority of athletes are separate and different imo.
Hating on White and Grantham is okay for LLL, but being opposed to Socialism is not.

Individual Freedom in a Constitutional Republic vs Slavery in Socialism/Communism.
I'm a lifelong Patriot. I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.
"Give me Liberty, or give me Death," is what this country was founded on.
The current 'Royalty' running the government are traitors to their Oaths of Office.
'To support and defend the Constitution, against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic.'
Not to change and ignore the Constitution to suit the greedy and corrupt.

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There's a misconception flying around the media (both regular and social) that UF's basketball program doesn't graduate players. It's wrong. "If fact-checkers took an interest, that statement would get four "Pinocchios."

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Projected 2021-22 Roster with 6-7 months left to go:


PG Brandon McKissic
PG Tyree Appleby
PG Jack May

CG Niels Lane
SG Alex Klatsky

SF Samson Ruzhentsev
SF/CG Kowacie Reeves

PF CJ Felder
PF Anthony Duruji
PF Keyontae Johnson (return unknown for now)

C/PF Colin Castleton (testing NBA draft status)
C Jaxon Jitoboh

Awaiting school decisions from a couple of others in the portal.
 
Look, sadgator probably ain’t the best person to be arguing that Mike White has had some awesome success here...sadgator has questions too...

but as demonstrated in your “facts,” holding him to some standard of reaching or winning a conference tourney title is a bit unfair (when we have done it 10 and 4 times respectively in our entire history)....

sadgator loves and respects Billy...and his success here will never be matched...but if you really digest some of the off-years, you’ll see he wasn’t some kind of deity...he had mediocre years too...

the point is...college basketball is a unique sport in terms of success measures...You can’t deny the fact that White has had a ton of odd shit to deal with, and the fact that he actually “almost” got this team to a Sweet Sixteen this year was nothing short of amazing in sadgator’s opinion...

The in-game coaching thing is a concern, but sadgator doesn’t see some rock star hire sitting there that could do much better...and when you are making the tournament each year that is a very positive thing that should not be taken for granted....

and let’s be fair...you say “top 64”...but we did win a game...so let’s change that to “top 32”...just to be accurate....

After White's elite 8 run, we were #20 in the final polls. So just as elite 8 doesn't automatically make you top 8, winning one game does not automatically make you top 32. However, I will agree that, because we were seeded #7, we likely were top 32, win or lose. But only barely.
 
Fire Mike White.
Fire the idiot AD that hired him, extended his contract with a raise.
Replace the idiot circle UAA that hired and supports them both.

This will guarantee that UF will then return to their 2 NC status in their entire history....

PS -- UF managed to rehire BillyD back from the NBA once, but that will never happen again.
But that doesn't matter, because there is a long list of NC/HoF coaches that are begging to get the UF job...
 
Fire Mike White.
Fire the idiot AD that hired him, extended his contract with a raise.
Replace the idiot circle UAA that hired and supports them both.

This will guarantee that UF will then return to their 2 NC status in their entire history....

PS -- UF managed to rehire BillyD back from the NBA once, but that will never happen again.
But that doesn't matter, because there is a long list of NC/HoF coaches that are begging to get the UF job...
IF we could just fire you, that would be enough for me.
 
Well Payne just hit the portal now too. Time for Mike White to put himself in the portal IMO. Players know his coaching philosophy isn’t getting it done. McKissic is not coming here. Likely Kansas. We have a chance with Felder but I’m slightly leaning towards Arkansas as Musselman is a good coach and does well recruiting the portal.
Illy D. In his next 3 years went to Rd. 1, 2 and 1. Would you be all over him? You know nothing of our or college BB history. Win I g ain’t East. Ask FSU. Is that what you want another round or two?
 
Illy D. In his next 3 years went to Rd. 1, 2 and 1. Would you be all over him? You know nothing of our or college BB history. Win I g ain’t East. Ask FSU. Is that what you want another round or two?
What year are you referring too? Billy’s 7th-9th years? Because I know darn well Billy’s first 6 years were much better than White’s.
 
What year are you referring too? Billy’s 7th-9th years? Because I know darn well Billy’s first 6 years were much better than White’s.
Billy won regular season SEC titles in years 4, 5, 6, 11, 17 & 18. He won the SEC tournament titles in years 9, 10, 11 & 18. He was in the Sweet 16 in years 3, 4, 9, 10, 15, 16, 17 & 18, Elite 8 in years 4, 10, 11, 15, 16, 17 & 18, Final 4 in years 4, 10, 11 & 18, national runner-up in year 4, national champion in years 10 & 11. He won 71.5% of his games at Florida, 65% of his SEC games. Mike White has won nothing in his first 6 years at Florida.
 
Donovan did 3 net cutting significant things his first 6 years at UF.

He made a Final Four
He won 2 SEC Championships

Coach White has done nothing his first 6 years to warrant cutting the nets.
 
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I was very happy with HoF BillyD as the Gator's coach.
I am very happy with Mike White as the Gator's coach.
(BillyD, the AD, and the UAA all agree with me btw)

BTW, nobody has addressed the difference in SoS's that they played, why is that?
And nobody has addressed the Top to Bottom strength of SEC B-Ball that they each faced in their first 6 seasons, nor the scamdemic fiasco. Of course to the 'entitled fans' those are just annoying details....

Moving right along...

Oh Noooo Mr. Bill....
Tre Mann has left early for the NBA Draft.
Doom-Despair-Pain & Ag-O-Knee....

'Not so fast my friend.'

Phlandous Fleming, 6-4, 210 from Athens, Ga., was a star at Charleston Southern.'
He was named 1st-team All-Big South and their 2021 Defensive PoY (X-2).
He became just the 2nd player in Charleston Southern program history to tally
AT LEAST - 1,000 Pts, 500 Rbs, 200 Asts, 100 Stls and 50 blocked shots.
Career Mann - 540 Pts, 190 Rbs, 103 Ast, 50 Stls, and 5 blocked shots.
(Fleming Career - 1,510 Pts)


IF the haters are so smart and correct about Mike's coaching abilities, then why do players continue to come to UF to play for him? (crickets)
I trust the actual players opinions much more than the whiny sniveling 'entitled fans.'

 
Winning 1 game in the NCAA tournament does not make us one of the Top 32 teams in the country. It just means we were in the final 32 for the national championship. There's a difference. The Final polls take into consideration the entire year's body of work, not just how a team does in the tournament. For example, the year we made it to the Elite 8 under Mike White the Final rankings had us at #20, not in the Top 8. And that's a really low bar for THE University of Florida, just making the tourney. And my original post not only talked about making it to the conference tournament final, it included not winning a regular season SEC title and not even being in serious contention except for that 1 year. Plus only finishing the season ranked 1 time in 6 years (and that one year being #20), when some of those years we started the season ranked, a couple of times in the Top 15, I believe. And why should Mike White not be held to the same standards that other coaches at UF are held to? We fired 2 football coaches between Meyer and Mullen and we made the SEC title game in 2 of those "off" years, plus finished the season ranked in the Top 25 twice. Becky Burleigh is the only coach in UF soccer history, won a ton of SEC titles and a national championship and has even won 1 regular season SEC title, 2 conference tournaments, took her teams to 3 Sweet 16's and 1 Elite 8 since Mike White was hired. Yet she resigned because the program has stagnated and done very little the last 4 years and a time for change had come. UF has, historically, forced coaches to move on if they have 5-6 years of not being an SEC challenger on a regular basis and being in the national rankings. Why should basketball be any different?
Women’s soccer expert?

Wait did I really see you write that?

ROTFLMFAO!!!
 
Women’s soccer expert?

Wait did I really see you write that?

ROTFLMFAO!!!
Laugh all you want, my man, or whatever you choose to call yourself today. Gator soccer was at one time the class of the SEC and the state of Florida. Not so anymore. FSU has far surpassed us, winning 2 national titles in the last 7 years and being seeded #1 going in to this year's tournament. I happen to follow and enjoy ALL Gator sports programs and want to see ALL of coaches and athletes do well. When they aren't living up to the standards of excellence/achievement that have been established over the last 30 years or so, it's time for a change. That was the case with UF soccer and that's the case with UF Men's basketball, IMO.
 
I see that not only did half the team transfer out, but both of the assistant coaches as well.
 
I see that not only did half the team transfer out, but both of the assistant coaches as well.
15 Players (13 ships) and 4 xfer out = half the team using LLL math.
4 Coaches in B-Ball, 2 leave for HC'ing jobs + a pay raise = both Ast coaches.
Quick, somebody tell Al Pinkins that he doesn't really exist....

If memory serves, Steve had 11 coaches leave for HC'ing gigs, so they ran SOS off....
 
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