Why Tampa shouldn't draft Winston
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im so glad that Winston played for the only school that all of this could have happened, and the fans being an all time reminder of what America knows already... but this time for good
only way this could have been have been better is if he played at Bama but Saban would have hacksaw jim duggan'd him long before he ever got on the field sadly..
only way this could have been have been better is if he played at Bama but Saban would have hacksaw jim duggan'd him long before he ever got on the field sadly..
The NFL is willing to overlook almost any character issues as long as the talent is worth the risk.
When has that ever stopped the nfl? Talent trumps character all day in the nfl. At best Winston is an immature low level thief who does stupid shit, or at worst, well no need to rehash the worst. Bucs need a QB and Winston is the one that is most ready to make an immediate impact. The other stuff the Bucs or nfl do is just PR lip service.
So...if all the NFL gives a rip about is on the field production...what's the buzz about religion or "distraction" keeping Tebow off a roster? I'm not ripping Tebow at all...I'm surprised he's not on a team. I don't think there's a bright line test that the league does or doesn't care about "image". I think it all comes down to each player, and individual teams.
Wow...NFL asks Jameis to stay home on draft day....this to the projected #1 pick
This post was edited on 3/18 4:34 PM by passoverGator
This post was edited on 3/18 4:34 PM by passoverGator
The Bucs evidently have had two private investigators digging into Winston's past and found out that he's basically a good kid, and that his teammates love him. Was the crab leg situation stupid? Sure...but who didn't do something stupid when they were young? The NFL isn't going to be worried about that.
If the Bucs don't want the kid, then they should trade down, because Mariota isn't the answer. Spread option QB's have not done well, long term, in the NFL. Cam Newton is the pinnacle of that type of QB, and he hasn't exactly torn it up...and Mariota is no Cam Newton. I'm a Bucs fan, but I'm a Titans fan first and foremost, so I would LOVE for the Bucs to pass on Winston, but I just don't see it happening. He tore up the combine and was head and shoulders above everyone else. He interviewed extremely well and threw the ball even better. Front office people and scouts were comparing his football IQ to Peyton Manning. Like him or not, he's by far the best QB prospect in this draft. That being said, both the Bucs and Titans are more than a QB away from winning. So, if either team gets a huge trade package to move down, I think they should move down.
It's sad that it's even gotten this far. The only stupid thing the kid ever did was the crab leg incident, and I'm not defending him for that, but it really isn't a big deal. Who didn't do stupid stuff when they were a kid?
Nolies relax.....instead of if he should be drafted you are arguing the rape charge. Guy is ghetto and scum who can throw a good football.
Problem is he threw many to the wrong team.
Problem is he threw many to the wrong team.
If Winston played for U.F. Dano, Alaskan and the whole Nole nation would be saying the guy was guilty. How many of you can take off your I LOVE JAMEIS GLASSES?
As long as it is't set in stone that Jameis is going VERY early in the draft, it could turn in to a nightmare for him to attend. Remember how awkward it was watching team after team pass on Manziel while he sat alone at a table with a camera in his grill? Pretty sure Johnny wishes he had spent that time at home. I would tell Jameis to attend only if the Bucs had already reached agreement with him and he knew he was going first.
You're probably correct...at least at the onset because I wouldn't read a darn thing outside of media headlines/articles.
However, if I continued to debate the issue, I would like to think I'd take the time to read further to ensure I wasn't talking out of my arse. Notice I don't comment much about Hernendez? That's because I honestly haven't paid much attention to the case. I did read a few "stories" about him and an incident at a bar in Gainesville, but outside of that, I really haven't read enough to argue the case one way or the other.
Regardless, your general statement is correct, I'd probably think Winston was guilty because I wouldn't give two craps about reading things for myself. I'll admit to that.
I never said that's the reason the NFL did anything. As a matter of FACT, nobody from the NFL has said they don't want him there. All conjecture...and of course live bait for Jameis haters.Originally posted by djegators:
Yeah...that's the reason the NFL doesn't want him there...
My perspective is it is stupid for Jameis to attend in the event he's not taken in the first several picks. He'll attend if the Bucs tell him he's being picked first.
That's not what I'm saying...wow, talk about literally putting words in my mouth. I "basically" said, that the ONLY reason I read the entire TPD & state attorney reports is because he's FSU alumni. That would have been the case if he was in the FSU art department, a track-team member or the "Star QB." I think he's innocent of sexual assault based on facts...facts that I admittedly only gave two farts about because of Winston's university affiliation. I couldn't tell you why other Nole fans think this. IMO, odds are they are towing the party line from those of us who have read through the facts of the case and assuming we're right.
Also, remember that my defense is of his sexual assault charges, not of the other shenanigans and thievery (ignore the RRT tomfoolery). I've made it a point that one does not equate to the other. If you were charged with rape then later flipped the bird at a news reporter then told him to "F" off, those actions wouldn't prove that you were a rapist.
Bottom line. I don't defend him because he's a Nole. I chose to care one way or the other because he's a Nole. Had my research revealed otherwise, my stance would have been he should have been expelled and given a jail cell.
This post was edited on 3/20 2:02 PM by alaskanseminole
Originally posted by alaskanseminole:
Doesn't matter, you guys will only believe what you want to believe.Originally posted by djegators:
Yeah...that's the reason the NFL doesn't want him there...
"In talking to multiple league sources over the past week, don't be surprised if the NFL put a little bit of pressure on Jameis Winston to not be there," Cole said Tuesday. "... And why is that? The NFL in the aftermath of everything they've dealt with, from Greg Hardy to Ray Rice to Adrian Peterson, is very much afraid of the protests that are going to go along with Jameis Winston being a first round pick let alone being the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL draft and essentially being the face of the NFL draft in 2015.
"So there's a pragmatic approach here. How do they mute the protests (that are) likely to happen in the aftermath of Winston's selection? This decision by Winston not to attend is an attempt to mute that reaction."
Cole indicated Winston's decision - whether entirely his or not - to skip the draft was made in an effort to keep a low profile, a directive that seemingly came out of his five-hour meeting last week with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.
This post was edited on 3/20 8:14 PM by djegators
Right.
Daniel Jeremiah (former NFL scout) wasn't very concerned, really, starting with the rape accusation. "The team's I've talked to that have done their homework on this issue, they've told me they're comfortable with the findings. So they're okay with what the courts ruled on that."
"I do tend to think it's more immaturity than this is a bad guy. I look at the guys that flop in the NFL, and I look at the guys that have a real, real, real issue with substance. I don't see that any of that with Jameis Winston, that doesn't concern me at all.
"He is a self-motivated young man, he doesn't see barriers, he pushes through barriers, he has high aspirations, he wants to achieve greatness, all those things that you're looking for," Stanford head coach David Shaw told Jeremiah. "And as a coach, one of the things you look is the difference between what's a bad guy, and what's a guy that has a lot to learn, you know has some maturity to go through. And I think Jameis has been the latter, he's learned a lot of tough lessons.
Click link to read more about the NFL on the fence with Jameis Winston:
This post was edited on 3/21 11:35 AM by alaskanseminole
NFL aint skeered
And even more to confirm how desperately the NFL wants this clown gone!
It's very difficult to believe that the NFL is cool with FSU quarterback Jameis Winston[/B] not going to the NFL draft. Reports are that Winston might stay at home in Alabama so he can celebrate likely being the No. 1 overall pick with family and friends.
Hopefully, Winston or those around him will come to their senses and realize it's best for everyone - him, the league and the Bucs - to attend the draft.
Jameis Winston and the NFL draft
It's very difficult to believe that the NFL is cool with FSU quarterback Jameis Winston[/B] not going to the NFL draft. Reports are that Winston might stay at home in Alabama so he can celebrate likely being the No. 1 overall pick with family and friends.
Hopefully, Winston or those around him will come to their senses and realize it's best for everyone - him, the league and the Bucs - to attend the draft.
Jameis Winston and the NFL draft
No offense, dude, but that isn't what the private investigators evidently found out. The info was all over Joe Bucs Fan if you want confirmation.
I will say that I defended Treon Harris when he was first accused. I hate the "accused means you're automatically guilty" attitude that many have in this country.
Originally posted by djegators:
It's really unfortunate that a kid, exonerated four different times, is being compared to a guy who completely KO'd his gf and a guy who bloodied his son's testicles with a switch. I guess it's really no surprise, but I still always find it unfortunate.Originally posted by alaskanseminole:
Doesn't matter, you guys will only believe what you want to believe.Originally posted by djegators:
Yeah...that's the reason the NFL doesn't want him there...
"In talking to multiple league sources over the past week, don't be surprised if the NFL put a little bit of pressure on Jameis Winston to not be there," Cole said Tuesday. "... And why is that? The NFL in the aftermath of everything they've dealt with, from Greg Hardy to Ray Rice to Adrian Peterson, is very much afraid of the protests that are going to go along with Jameis Winston being a first round pick let alone being the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL draft and essentially being the face of the NFL draft in 2015.
"So there's a pragmatic approach here. How do they mute the protests (that are) likely to happen in the aftermath of Winston's selection? This decision by Winston not to attend is an attempt to mute that reaction."
Cole indicated Winston's decision - whether entirely his or not - to skip the draft was made in an effort to keep a low profile, a directive that seemingly came out of his five-hour meeting last week with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.
This post was edited on 3/20 8:14 PM by djegators
If you'd like to discuss Aaron Hernandez, start an Aaron Hernandez thread. It does appear that GPD at least knew how to request videos.
This post was edited on 3/27 12:20 PM by JD Gator
This post was edited on 3/27 12:20 PM by JD Gator
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